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Yarboosucks Tue 14-Jul-20 14:43:27

I have never been a particularly sensitive or active feminist, but all this drag rubbish on TV is getting to me. How at a time when rightly you could not broadcast in black face or similar is it OK to mock or at best caricature women so ridiculously?

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EmbarrassedUser Tue 14-Jul-20 14:53:05

I like drag, I don’t get the problem.

Bmidreams Tue 14-Jul-20 14:56:33

Hopefully that will be next but things are going a bit wonky at the moment...

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 14:59:18

@EmbarrassedUser Same. I'm a fan of drag and find it entertaining. As a woman I am really not offended by it. I don't see the problem either 🤷‍♀️

ABingThing Tue 14-Jul-20 15:00:04

Because being offensive to/about women is apparently fine. And better than fine if we can be convinced to join in and say it's not a problem 🙄

LittlePearl Tue 14-Jul-20 15:00:13

I completely agree OP.

I hate drag and I'm amazed that the double standard seems to have gone unnoticed.

TheQueef Tue 14-Jul-20 15:00:59

Imo the beeb are actively trying to desensitise and normalise drag.

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 15:01:24

@ABingThing I just don't understand why it is offensive though?

Yarboosucks Tue 14-Jul-20 15:01:26

Grrrr - did not want voting

I used to quite like it but there is overkill now and the tone is shifting towards something that seem contemptuous to me.

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BMW6 Tue 14-Jul-20 15:01:33

I loathe drag. Deeply misogynistic shite.

vodkaredbullgirl Tue 14-Jul-20 15:02:28

What next are we going to get rid of? Don't watch it, if you dont like it.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult Tue 14-Jul-20 15:02:33

I love drag, it's not about being a caricature of women either. Plenty of different types of performers.

BMW6 Tue 14-Jul-20 15:03:40

Midsommar

*@ABingThing* I just don't understand why it is offensive though?

What is the difference between Drag and the Black and White Minstrel Show?

eddiemairswife Tue 14-Jul-20 15:04:05

As a child I never liked pantomime dames or principal boys. I couldn't see the point of them.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult Tue 14-Jul-20 15:06:45

One is a guy in a dress (assuming that's the type of drag you are finding offensive), one is racist.

Why is a man in a dress telling jokes or singing so offensive?

What about lookalike acts? Are they in the same league as the black and white minstrel show?

What's the difference between a lookalike act and drag?

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 15:06:48

@BMW6 why are we bringing race into this? It is irrelevant.
In my opinion (and everyone is entitled to their own opinion despite what Mumsnet would have us believe) drag is not offensive and many, many people enjoy it as an art form and entertainment. I appreciate their make up and clothes they design. I think it is quite impressive really, I am useless at makeup...

AlsDiner Tue 14-Jul-20 15:08:10

Midsommar

*@ABingThing* I just don't understand why it is offensive though?

One example is using the word 'fishy' while waving a hand in front of the groin with a repulsed facial expression. Because, you know, women's vaginas smell of fish. They've shortened it now to just calling a woman a 'Fish', it's used that mush by drag queens that everyone knows fish means woman.

Try swapping that for saying, for example, Asian people smell of curry, and we'd all be outraged, rightly so.

AlsDiner Tue 14-Jul-20 15:09:45

*much, not mush grin

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 15:10:21

@AlsDiner I get that. But I still don't find it offensive. I'm not easily offended though whereas some people are. Which is fine.
And again, what's with the the race reference? It is completely irrelevant!

Xiaoxiong Tue 14-Jul-20 15:13:36

I used to like the silliness of panto dames and the over the top campiness of drag (eg. I loved the original Priscilla film) - I rewatched that the other day and it didn't feel in any way misogynistic. I watched Drag Race and it was something that felt quite different and pretty contemptuous towards women - then I realised what the term "fishy" meant. It's a pretty gross and demeaning stereotype that women have gross and smelly genitalia. That opened my eyes to other misogynistic stereotypes that I'm really not here for, women being shrieky/shrill, emotional, bitchy, cliquey, jokes about periods being disgusting etc. I'm not such a fan of the drag race brand of drag.

AlsDiner Tue 14-Jul-20 15:13:45

Midsommar

*@AlsDiner* I get that. But I still don't find it offensive. I'm not easily offended though whereas some people are. Which is fine.
And again, what's with the the race reference? It is completely irrelevant!

I didn't mention race - just fish.

That I have a fishy smelling vagina offends me enough though

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 15:16:36

@AlsDiner I get that the fishy reference is unpleasant and I wouldn't use that reference myself but I don't get offended/up in arms about it. I see your point though!

"Try swapping that for saying, for example, Asian people smell of curry, and we'd all be outraged, rightly so" - I was referring to this regarding my race comment.

user1471448556 Tue 14-Jul-20 15:17:20

I find it offensive so I avoid it ... until a drag artist appears on a programme I enjoy, like Masterchef and then I have to endure it. I agree that it seems to be everywhere these days. I get the history and that it was an outlet of expression in Gay Clubs and I support that, but I don’t personally want to watch a drag act ... particularly when the term ‘fish’ is bandied about and women are ridiculed.

ABingThing Tue 14-Jul-20 15:19:13

@AlsDiner exactly what I was going to say!

As for the relation to blackface:

Example 1: oppressing class dresses up as oppressed class and uses jokes and songs to parody and demean them

Example 2: oppressing class dresses up as oppressed class and uses jokes and songs to parody and demean them

I'll leave you to decide which example is drag and which example is blackface

Midsommar Tue 14-Jul-20 15:22:35

I think in my opinion vs some others on here - it's a case of agreeing to disagree smile (for the record I do not agree with blackface, I am simply here for the drag comments!)

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