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To hope the current economic situation will educate some people

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Hingeandbracket Mon 29-Jun-20 17:35:24

I keep seeing social media posts from people who have never been out of work before. Quite often they express surprise that they have applied for a few jobs and either heard nothing back or been rejected.
Some people similarly are amazed at the actual (low) level of benefits and how difficult and demeaning the process of claiming can be.

AIBU to hope that at least some of these people will now have som sympathy for others in the same situation, now and in future?

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Littleblackdress04 Mon 29-Jun-20 17:45:38

Yanbu. A bit of humility and empathy would go a long way in this country to be honest.

Littleblackdress04 Mon 29-Jun-20 17:47:16

And actually, in some ways it’s a shame that this didn’t happen before an election as people might have voted for socially progressive policies rather than the current shower of self- servatives

DrManhattan Mon 29-Jun-20 17:48:43

I hope so. I would rather live in a world where we all care about the less fortunate than this tory shit show we have now.

HeIenaDove Mon 29-Jun-20 17:57:22

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Merryoldgoat Mon 29-Jun-20 17:59:28

Yes, I agree OP.

I grew up in poverty on benefits but as an adult I’ve been fortunate to be in work and I have a comfortable life now.

I’ll always remember how hard it was.

Merryoldgoat Mon 29-Jun-20 18:01:54

Sorry, in WELL PAID work - I know most benefit claimants are in work.

JustAnotherPoster00 Mon 29-Jun-20 18:51:04

Merryoldgoat

Sorry, in WELL PAID work - I know most benefit claimants are in work.

That comment shows you understand what people are currently going through. wish more people could see what this government are doing to those of us in the underclass and to those who are barely scraping by due to poverty wages

ShadowCat17 Mon 29-Jun-20 19:06:01

I would love to say people will have a bit more compassion after this once they’ve walked a mile in the shoes of those who are less unfortunate, but honestly I’m already seeing signs of people going back to the way things were before and being just as selfish - e.g. the recent teacher bashing, complaints about queues at the doctors or shops, wilful ignorance of BLM and people leaving the likes of nature spots or Bournemouth in a sea of rubbish. Some people won’t ever open their eyes to a world out of the own bubble regardless of circumstances.

Pepperwort Mon 29-Jun-20 19:39:01

I hope it makes people realise just how low benefits are in this country and stops some of the crap about both scroungers and benefit tourism. Other European countries are more equal for reasons, they have far more extensive distribution systems.

JaniceWebster Mon 29-Jun-20 20:02:42

I bet anything that it will make people a lot less understanding.

When people experience things themselves but react in different ways and are given different opportunities, they lose any kind of sympathy they might have had before. They managed, others will be entitled to more benefits, they had to make changes but they kept themselves in ok position...

So my guess is a lot of people will use their own experience to paint everybody else and have 0 empathy.

tectonicplates Mon 29-Jun-20 20:12:10

It would be nice to think so, but unfortunately people have short memories and it won't last.

Oldsu Tue 30-Jun-20 01:48:06

I do understand that people are unhappy about UC, but I am on a benefit site at the moment where someone is still on WTC and CTC asking if an inheritance of 30k will affect it, the replies thus far is no it wont with someone saying they had 75k and another 80k without it affecting their Tax credit benefits, as its not taxable income why on earth did we have system where someone can have that much and still claim benefits, its a joke, no wonder people want to stay on it and not have to claim UC.

HeIenaDove Tue 30-Jun-20 01:53:09

UC is too much the other way @Oldsu Do you really want people in fear of sanctions going into work and spreading Covid19

Considering you are older thats well brave lol

Because a lot of people on UC are IN work.

HeIenaDove Tue 30-Jun-20 01:56:58

You got your question answered on page 1 @Hingeandbracket

Oldsu Tue 30-Jun-20 02:18:22

HeIenaDove

UC is too much the other way @Oldsu Do you really want people in fear of sanctions going into work and spreading Covid19

Considering you are older thats well brave lol

Because a lot of people on UC are IN work.

I didn't say people on UC are not in work, and I haven't said I want people
to be sanctioned, but the fact remains the old benefit system was too generous and that's why a lot of people don't want to move over, I also think there should be a middle way. But of course there are 1000s of people not on any benefits that are having to go back to work, worried about their own health and other peoples, I am one of them, if I refused to do it I would be sanctioned as well by my employer I would lose my job

flirtygirl Tue 30-Jun-20 02:29:11

Oldsu the old system was never generous.
Tax credits were not introduced as benefits, it's recent ideology that has labelled them benefits, hence the no savings limit in tax credits.

All the other old or legacy benefits have always had savings limits.

Also the level of benefit has always been tightly controlled. There was nothing generous about them. Austerity and wages not rising since the early 2000s is the problem not the level of benefits. If legacy benefits look generous then the person viewing that has a problem. Really £39 per week income support or job seeker is generous.

People really need to educate themselves but this country has the awful mentality of lets see them suffer. Or if I can't have something nobody can. Too many in this country vote to make others poorer. Horrible mentality.

Oldsu Tue 30-Jun-20 07:04:14

flirtygirl

Oldsu the old system was never generous.
Tax credits were not introduced as benefits, it's recent ideology that has labelled them benefits, hence the no savings limit in tax credits.

All the other old or legacy benefits have always had savings limits.

Also the level of benefit has always been tightly controlled. There was nothing generous about them. Austerity and wages not rising since the early 2000s is the problem not the level of benefits. If legacy benefits look generous then the person viewing that has a problem. Really £39 per week income support or job seeker is generous.

People really need to educate themselves but this country has the awful mentality of lets see them suffer. Or if I can't have something nobody can. Too many in this country vote to make others poorer. Horrible mentality.

TC and WTC are means are means tested benefits and always have been only difference is that they are paid by HMRC not the DWP, they are a tax free top up for low wages, people claiming them had to meet certain conditions just like other benefits and are one of the larger elements of the welfare bill, not ideology - fact. And of you don't think being able to claim a means tested state benefit while having 1000s in the bank is not generous I would like to know what is, even my DHs contribution based state pension which is taxable is classed as a benefit because its part of the welfare bill and is an income replacement benefit just like TC and UC.

Hingeandbracket Tue 30-Jun-20 08:05:00

the fact remains the old benefit system was too generous
Generous? Fuck me I have seen everything now.

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PurpleHaze101 Tue 30-Jun-20 08:08:59

I once posted on here years ago about my relationship with dp when dp lost his job. I was told he was a waster and a lay about and I should LTB because everyone could get a job if they really tried.

you try being over 50, going to interviews, being told you're overqualified so why do you want this job (?), being turned down every single day, dropping your CV everywhere only to be kicked back all the time

I got told on the thread that if he really cared he would just 'clean houses' or 'iron' and he was a CF living off me.

I hope some people think before they post next time about people without jobs. It's soul destroying. Dp started his own business in the end and it's taking off slowly and I'm proud of him for doing so but the absolute evil and bitterness on this site towards people without work made me leave the site for years!

dontdisturbmenow Tue 30-Jun-20 08:27:19

Everyone is going to struggle when you first lose your job. Its s horrible time for everyone.

The test is more what happens weeks/months later, when some will keep going, get up way, check the adverts, take the time to respond writing individual letters/email with each application, make phone calls, review their CV and continue to give it 100% despite feeling low and pessimistic after many rejections, as opposed to those who will just give up, so the strict minimum in the quickest time and spend the rest of the day being lazy.

In the longer term, the former will get there, the latter will moan that it's not their fault and blame everything but themselves.

Its very hard to keep going when all you get is rejection but those who will get out of it are those who will keep trying, and of course, the few that will just get lucky.

CorianderLord Tue 30-Jun-20 08:55:46

I'm amazed that there are people who haven't been rejected from jobs before. It took me three months of applications before I got a job after graduation

Pippin2028 Tue 30-Jun-20 09:03:44

I think thanks to the paper and a few tv shows, people think benefits was an easy way. I don't envy life on benefits, it's horrible having to watch every penny, not been able to afford basic things and constantly struggling and this going around in circles. I have a relative on long term benefits, i dont think she can hold down a job and she hasn't even got a spare £5 at the end of the month and Long term this can have an awful affect on your wellbeing and mental health. No one knows what's in store these next months but I do hope people will become more understanding and know all it takes is a few life events and things to go wrong and you can easily be at the bottom.

HeIenaDove Tue 30-Jun-20 14:17:17

Family Credit advert 1991

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3bdOmKX4g

Oldsu Wed 01-Jul-20 07:02:42

Hingeandbracket

*the fact remains the old benefit system was too generous*
Generous? Fuck me I have seen everything now.

So you don't think a benefit system that's allows people to have no limit on savings (which was what my post referred to) is more generous than one that only allows Under £16k before entitlement is stopped.

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