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DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 16:46:22

this seems to be a huge problem. Everyone has become an "activist" nowadays on social media. Not to forget cancel culture which is a disgrace imo.

For example, Camila Cabello it was found out she was using the n word in her teens. She should have known better yes and it is disgraceful what she did. But surely there has to be a ground where we can all learn from our mistakes. Rather than saying let's cancel her it would be better to have a honest discussion with her and say something like "look its wrong to use this word don't say it" and go through the history of the n word I am sure that would be more effective than saying let's cancel her.

Another is before a trial is done we say people are guilty. For example, Johnny Depp everyone vilified him on social media but the fact of the case actually shows he was a victim and many of the girls and guys who accused him on social media have never apologised to him or said they were wrong in accusing him. Caroline Flack is another example. Yes there was evidence she was violent but what papers were doing disgusting and social media towards her.

Why do people feel the need to comment on things that they have no knowledge on? And the better question why do people think need to give their opinions on everything? I have seen this in my own life as well. People gossiping about men and women because they perceive they are "unsociable" "unloving" "ugly" etc... The world would be so much better if people stopped acting like they know the full story and feel entitled to comment on everything.

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DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 16:47:45

Sometimes we should cancel I agree e.g. people who make their careers out of hatred racism etc.. They include Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson etc.. These people I would love to educate them but let's face it they aren't willing to change like most people

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Hingeandbracket Tue 23-Jun-20 16:52:31

What exactly do you mean by "cancel"?

DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 16:55:49

Cancel culture basically just cause someone did a mistake we should boycott them and in Camilas case never listen to her music, ostracize her etc..

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DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult Tue 23-Jun-20 16:59:25

It's the people who start sharing a random photo of someone who has pissed them off that annoy me.

They put a massive one sided story up with someones photo, no evidence, that then gets shared thousands of times. These people could have anything going in in their lives and be a victim of someone just being a vindictive knob for all anyone knows, yet they share it anyway.

Same with people whipping folk onto a frenzy about small businesses, then a bunch of keyboard warriors start leaving shitty reviews everywhere again no evidence just some random saying so.

Kahiki Tue 23-Jun-20 17:00:08

But you’re also discussing it on social media!

And also defending a racist.

flamingochill Tue 23-Jun-20 17:00:38

People scream cancel culture but are they being cancelled? Iff the top of my head I can't remember any big names being cancelled in the UK since John Leslie and Michael Barrymore?

Diemme Tue 23-Jun-20 17:01:04

YANBU at all, I agree with you totally and feel it's one of the most vile aspects of today's world.

flamingochill Tue 23-Jun-20 17:03:40

Actually there are others like Kevin Spacey but I see cancel culture as people announcing their boycott of a certain celeb but society seems so polarized that there seems to usually be enough people in the don't care camp to not make a difference

araiwa Tue 23-Jun-20 17:04:29

One of your examples works..

The other two dont

Kahiki Tue 23-Jun-20 17:07:21

@DreamChaser23 did you use racist language as a teenager? I don’t believe that any teenager doesn’t know that word is offensive. It’s good that she’s apologised but she still needs to face the consequences of being a racist.

singme Tue 23-Jun-20 17:19:23

A bit different to your OP (celebrities) but I worry when a regular person’s picture and name is shared thousands of times across social media saying “this person is a racist, write to their boss etc” with no fact checking or thought. As a PP said, they could be the victim of abuse fleeing, or they could be opened up to acts of violence. Jon Ronson’s book “So you’ve been publically shamed” is a good read about trial by twitter.

happinessischocolate Tue 23-Jun-20 17:19:54

I've got friends who have shared pictures of people with the statement that this is the person who wrote graffiti on Churchill's statue, or threw a brick at the police horse or some other thing they have no proof of and each time I take a screen shot of one of my friends' photos and add it to the comments saying and this person helped them. And they still don't get it.

I also report the photos every bloody time and they eventually get deleted and then the friend will share a photo of another completely different person saying it was this person who did the graffiti, they just don't learn 😡

singme Tue 23-Jun-20 17:20:37

What @DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult said also

singme Tue 23-Jun-20 17:21:46

@happinessischocolate cross post but also agree, that’s a good way of calling them out. My friend keeps doing it

DeeCeeCherry Tue 23-Jun-20 17:22:40

Well you're doing the same thing they do OP. Deciding your judgment is right and others are wrong. So round & round in circles it goes. That's so I'll media for you.

Timekeeper1 Tue 23-Jun-20 17:22:56

I don't think it was ever proven that Depp never abused Amber. Sure, evidence came to light that she was also abusing him, but the general take away view was that they are both as bad as each other.

motherheroic Tue 23-Jun-20 17:25:17

What celebrities have been 'cancelled' by social media.

DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 17:26:23

@Kahiki nope I have not done anything racist. Yes she should acknowledge that she was racist. But to say we should never listen to her to someone who has apologised and has not made the same mistake again now is unreasonable. A better thing would be discussing with her and ensuring she has learnt from it and not making the same mistake in the near future

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DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 17:29:19

@Timekeeper1 exactly. But Amber does not get the same outrage as Johnny did before the truth came to light that he was also a victim. People did not know the full case that he was also a victim. Both are bad as each other but to blame him solely which many people did online was wrong when no one knew the whole truth.

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AlternativePerspective Tue 23-Jun-20 17:30:09

I have no idea who Camila Cabello is. How old is she now and how old was she when she used the n word?

This is relevant. We’re talking about something which is unpleasant and which most of us most definitely wouldn’t use, is also used by many black people themselves and thus could cause a teenager to think that it’s ok, you know, what’s good for the goose and all that. It’s often only with wisdom that you realise that a black person using the N word is different to a white person using it.

If this was say, in the past six months then I can totally see why people would boycott her music.

But if it was say, five years ago then no, I don’t agree, esp given she has now apologised.

I do absolutely agree re trial by social media, even when it seems that the party may in fact be guilty. E.g. the bloke who has been named in connection with Madeleine Mccann’s disappearance, now people practically have him guilty of any child disappearance in the past twenty years, but with no actual evidence. And they justify it on the basis that he’s an unpleasant individual anyway (which he is) so it’s ok then.

DreamChaser23 Tue 23-Jun-20 18:05:17

I am not a fan of her or her music I just used her as an example. The tweets were in 2012 I believe when she was a teenager. Yes she should have known better. And she should explain herself and learn from this. As a person of colour I was shocked and disgusted. But my problem is this. If we don't let anyone redeem themself OR improve themselves as human and just say cancel how will they learn as human beings?

Should some of us be cancelled? I have known people do stupid stuff when they were teenagers (affairs, drugs etc..) Where do we draw the line on what should be cancelled and what shouldn't?

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IsMiseMorag Tue 23-Jun-20 18:38:03

I think the whole concept of 'cancelling' is a weird and slippery slope. You can't just make things you don't like or don't agree with go away because you say so.

flamingochill Tue 23-Jun-20 18:57:21

People have been sacked for slagging off their employer on SM
I think normal people expect celebrities to have "people" who comb through their past SM posts

Weirdwonders Tue 23-Jun-20 19:04:18

DeeCeeCherry the OP’s post is arguing against cancel culture, is that not obvious? It’s not the same at all.

I agree OP, cancel culture is terrifying, we’ve probably all said or done things in the past that are problematic by the standards of the current time. I agree that what you should do is talk about it and consider the response of the person involved. But I honestly don’t think that’s what people want or even care about. They want to grab their pitchfork and watch people suffer. There’s a book by Jon Ronson ‘So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed’ which addresses a lot of this.

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