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Response to first 2 UK cases of coronavirus not robust enough

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MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:25:49

The hotel is still open and accepting visitors. Apparently they weren’t immediately informed that 2 of their guests had been diagnosed.
All public areas should have been deep cleaned but there is no suggestion this has been done.

No details are being released about where the tourists had visited (because of “patient confidentiality” - bureaucracy is dangerous) How on earth can anyone in York know whether they’ve been put at risk?
How can they trace possible contacts without making this information public?

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Boom45 Sat 01-Feb-20 09:30:05

Well, so long as the quarantined guests arent sneezing all over the other guests I'm sure they'll be fine. I assume that clever people who know a lot more about how the virus is transmitted than you or I will have come up with the quarantine arrangements.
All that said, I think I'd like to know if the hotel I'd shelled out good money for was housing quarantine patients...

Boom45 Sat 01-Feb-20 09:31:18

Oops, that answer makes no sense. Sorry, I'm half watching the news and half reading MN - that will teach me to multi-task

MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:32:37

What quarantined guests? The guests affected are in hospital. I have seen no reports of other guests being quarantined.

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MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:33:27

From the Lancet:

Given that 2019-nCoV is no longer contained within Wuhan, other major Chinese cities are probably sustaining localised outbreaks. Large cities overseas with close transport links to China could also become outbreak epicentres, unless substantial public health interventions at both the population and personal levels are implemented immediately. Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable because of substantial exportation of presymptomatic cases and in the absence of large-scale public health interventions.

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PhysaliaPhysalis Sat 01-Feb-20 09:34:36

At 57% YABU and 57% YANBU, I'd say coronavirus has broken Mumsnet too!

TimeMarchesOnNeverEnding Sat 01-Feb-20 09:34:42

YABVU. Do you really think the government wants to risk this spreading? They are 100% doing everything they need to. Threads like this are massively unhelpful and just get people worried for no reason.

MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:36:12

The reason I take this view is from looking at how easily this has spread in other areas.
Look at the first case in Germany. Colleague from Shanghai visited who was asymptomatic but still passed on the virus and now they have 6 or 7 cases.
That’s from a situation where all the contacts were known and traceable.

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bridgetreilly Sat 01-Feb-20 09:38:25

Would you expect the hotel to shut down after a guest had flu?

And yet 400,000 people die every year from flu. So far, 170 from coronavirus. The mortality rate from flu is around 1%, from coronavirus maybe 2% (though that is probably an overestimate because there will be people who had it so mildly they never even saw a doctor).

YABVU. There is no need to panic. If you are elderly, very young, or immuno-compromised, then you should take the same cautions as normal during a flu outbreak. Otherwise life as normal.

MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:39:24

Do you really think the government wants to risk this spreading?
They hadn’t even originally planned to quarantine the repatriated Brits!

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Trafalger Sat 01-Feb-20 09:42:52

I have come down with a cold and flu type symptoms after mixing with newly arrived chinese students this week at work. I am saying it's just a cold but it could be something more who knows! I will still go about my business as I am pretty sure it's a cold but once this virus is as widespread as it is now, who will know if it's a cold/flu or Coronavirus?

TimeMarchesOnNeverEnding Sat 01-Feb-20 09:43:14

Also, if I had been unlucky enough to contract the virus I would hope the government would do as much as possible to keep my identity confidential as the press coverage would be brutal.

People are already doing awful things like making their children worried about Chinese children in school and moving away from Chinese people on public transport.

We also need to keep in mind that only 2% of the 100% that have contracted it have died. That's 98% survival rate which is pretty high. The 2% are also likely to not have got medical intervention in time.

Normal flu death rates range from 0.1% to 20% depending on the pandemic level, for perspective.

TimeMarchesOnNeverEnding Sat 01-Feb-20 09:44:48

Because they probably didn't need to. They would have done all the risk assessments needed. They will have now quarantined them to due to public outcry rather than need probably.

Not sure what makes you think you know better than the experts TBH.

MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 09:46:14

@Trafalger
You should really stay at home to be on the safe side. Hopefully it is just a cold.

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Morgan12 Sat 01-Feb-20 09:47:58

How do you know the person that serves you in the shop today, or serves you dinner at a restaurant, doesn't have the flu?

Because the flu is more deadly. So you should be more worried about that.

Trafalger Sat 01-Feb-20 09:50:43

@MissPoldark I don't think that would go down with work very well! I also a garn factory toddler who has come out with a cold today as well so fairly certain it is just a cold. But my point was who can say for certain? Once it is in the population it is impossible to control.

NaturalBornWoman Sat 01-Feb-20 09:51:06

I have come down with a cold and flu type symptoms after mixing with newly arrived chinese students this week at work. I am saying it's just a cold but it could be something more who knows! I will still go about my business as I am pretty sure it's a cold but once this virus is as widespread as it is now, who will know if it's a cold/flu or Coronavirus?

If you've come down with symptoms after mixing with people newly arrived from China you should have taken medical advice. It's not for you to decide to 'carry on as normal'.

LakieLady Sat 01-Feb-20 09:51:19

Earlier, on BBC, they said that the virus was spread by direct transmission, ie blood, saliva, mucus etc spread by touch, ingestion or inhalation (apologies to anyone eating!).

On that basis, I'd be happy to exercise a bit more care than usual with hygiene, especially hand hygiene, and think that that will be enough to prevent me ingesting anything that might infect me. As far as inhalation goes, unless you're planning on snorting stuff off an unwashed floor I think staying in a hotel room that has had a proper clean and clean linen should be adequate, provided you take care to wash your hands, or use anti-bac gel, regularly.

Trafalger Sat 01-Feb-20 09:51:35

* Have a germ not a garn (damn autocorrect)

Hoik Sat 01-Feb-20 10:00:25

I have come down with a cold and flu type symptoms after mixing with newly arrived chinese students this week at work

Yeah, you really should seek medical advice on that one. Someone I know has had flu this last week but as they had been in contact with people who had recently returned from China they had to be screened.

Poppyfieldsummerdays Sat 01-Feb-20 10:04:49

The rate of spread makes it look fairly innocuous.

The hysteria is real.

The government reaction predictable.

DearHappy Sat 01-Feb-20 10:09:37

If people are ill after mixing with newly arrived Chinese people and then carry on as normal, how easily will the virus be spread? I think the pp needs to get medical advice on that one.

PhilSwagielka Sat 01-Feb-20 10:18:19

Why are people freaking out about it so much? Flu kills people all the time anyway.

MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 10:20:12

Newly arrived Chinese students should really be subject to a 2 week quarantine in their accommodation. Along with anyone else recently returned from China.
This is just what I mean about the response being inadequate!

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MissPoldark Sat 01-Feb-20 10:25:46

Not sure what makes you think you know better than the experts TBH.

“Experts” have also criticised the response:

“Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia, slammed the government after the hotel stayed open following the outbreak, insisting the Department of Health (DoH) had a ‘duty’ to warn the public of any risks.

“The [DoH] at least needs to tell people how big the potential spread of this virus is, and how much contact with the wider community these two have had.

“Why didn’t the Department of Health say something sooner?””

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