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To think it's odd when elderly parents vote for things that adversely affect their children and grandchildren?

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malificent7 Tue 10-Dec-19 07:53:57

Take Brexit and people who lost their jobs as a result...just why?
And my dad. I tried explaining that the Tories cut the NHS bursary so now i will be 60, 000 in debt when i graduate and he just sai " so what?" and " labour brought in the student loan." Yes dad...and without a student loan i wouldn't be able to retrain at all and wpuld be sruck in a minimum wage, zeri hour vontract job.
It's like people know who they want to vote for and won't listen to others...even though i listen to his concerns on immigration( with his lovely immigrant dp sitting beside him.) Cognative dissonance at its finest!

Hotchox Tue 10-Dec-19 08:21:26

OP - you would probably be quite amused by the leopards ate my face thing on Reddit. To be honest, the 'but I only voted for these bad things to happen to other people' club has a LOT more members than we'd like to think.

needsomehelptoday Tue 10-Dec-19 08:21:53

People vote however they feel is best (either tactically, least worst option, favourite party, better the devil you know or any other reason).

I find it a bit galling that you 'tried to explain' to your dad as if he's a child. He's seen a whole generation more politics than you have.

No, I'm not a conservative voter.

Nanny0gg Tue 10-Dec-19 08:23:04

God forbid we should think for ourselves and have our own opinions.

Some of us remember the 60s /70s and remember that socialism (Not Blairism) is not necessarily all it's cracked up to be.

We didn't all vote for Brexit either

Foxyloxy1plus1 Tue 10-Dec-19 08:24:21

I resent the implication that older people don’t care about the effect that their vote might have.

You are looking at it from your perspective only, because you are in a position of potentially owing a lot of money when you qualify. That isn’t, probably, the major consideration for the majority of voters and your stand ppoint could be said to be selfish.

My vote will make no difference. My constituency is a safe seat and won’t change. Nevertheless, I am agonising over who to vote for. In fact, I don’t think any party deserves my vote and I do t think any party is interested in it. But I will vote because it’s my responsibility to do so and I will have to compromise my beliefs to do so.

You criticise older people for not thinking of future generations, it looks very much as though you’re basing your vote on what is affecting you.

Singlenotsingle Tue 10-Dec-19 08:24:30

Yes we used to get a grant. From memory, I used to get about £5000 a year. It wasn't enough but with 2dc, I could never have managed without it. I had to sell my house after the second year, to help fund me through the third year. Can't remember which party changed it to loans though.

choli Tue 10-Dec-19 08:30:14

That's the thing about being older. You see a much bigger picture.

Butterisbest Tue 10-Dec-19 08:32:52

TheSandman Tue 10-Dec-19 08:37:32

My mother voted fror Brexit- she thinks even the worst case scenario will "be like the war- and everyone helped each other".

But it wasn't like that! That was (at the time, necessary) wartime propaganda . My Father was old enough to remember the Second World War. His father (my grandfather) worked on the docks and, my father said, he would steal as much stuff as he could to feed his family. Everyone did.

lowlandLucky Tue 10-Dec-19 08:40:49

So everyone should vote to suit you ?

speakout Tue 10-Dec-19 08:41:39


I kow that.

But my mother was 5 when war broke out. She saw the war through the hazy eyes of a child- and living in rural Scotland witnessed no city bombings, black market dealings, theft etc.

absopugginglutely Tue 10-Dec-19 08:41:41

I agree OP.
My dad will take some convincing to bother to vote at all. He can’t see his privilege at all and feels hard done by if anything.
I sometimes wonder if the older generation voting in a way that adversely affects their adult children is a way of saying ‘I’ll shoe you what real suffering is’.

absopugginglutely Tue 10-Dec-19 08:42:11


frumpety Tue 10-Dec-19 08:44:20

Thehagonthehillwithtinsel As a mature student single parent I got £600 a month as a bursary , I also got child benefit and didn't have to pay council tax. I paid my rent , bills , food , petrol etc out of that money. I didn't get any other benefits or child support. I managed and I left owing about £250 after a three year course. I didn't have to pay fees and I wasn't eligible for student loans.

ThinkIamflyingundertheradar Tue 10-Dec-19 08:46:07

@TheSandman TBF I don’t think ‘everyone’ was on the rob during the war. I’m sure your grandad was because dockers acquiring and flogging on contraband has been a long established ‘perk’ of the job and still is. (At London docks anyway, I can’t speak for other docks which may be better regulated).

elderlyhippo Tue 10-Dec-19 08:47:25

The 'older' generations n are more pro-Europe than the younger Ines. The referendum in 1976 was won by 'remain'

I think that stirring up generational strife is unhelpful.

What has changed since 1976, that means the adult population as a whole contains fewer remainers?

NettleTea Tue 10-Dec-19 08:48:06

I have a FIL who is a retired farmer and relies on EU funding like farm subsidies who voted leave 'because its better for farming and milk prices' which he doesnt even do! There hasnt been a cow on his farm for decades.
I have a DM who voted remain but came round and ranted about Labour policies quoting scare facts that, when I researched were all completely untrue.
I have a DF who thinks the NHS SHOULD be privatised or we should all pay health insurance, even though he has a grand daughter with a chronic progressive disease and a single parent who cannot work due to caring duties so could never afford healthcare - and he also campaigned for an expensive drug to be avauilable on NHS!

HopeItComesWithBatteries Tue 10-Dec-19 08:49:52

When I went to University I was lucky and I got a grant.

Then again, when I went to university only six percent of people went, so the country could better afford it. Nowadays at least half seem to go, so there has to be a (relatively generous, very long term repayments) loan system.

It boils down to which you would prefer, but the money has to come from somewhere.

Many older people are concerned their children would consider voting in somebody who will decimate their parents’ hard earned pension savings that they rely on in old age. They are not in a position to earn any more. and the state pension doesn’t go far.

Every generation has its different concerns because they’re all at different life stages, and have had different life experiences over the years. But this bleating we see from some younger people ( not you OP) about their parents selling them down the river is unfair and hurtful when their parents have generally made many sacrifices to bring them up. Stirring up intergenerational strife as some politicians try to do is unhelpful and gets us nowhere.

titchy Tue 10-Dec-19 08:52:17

Thing is, if every grandparent voted for what was best for their grandchildren, no one would vote for what was best for the elderly. So really people have got to vote for what's important to them.

FoamingAtTheUterus Tue 10-Dec-19 08:55:45

Tbh I think the Brexit vote should have been age capped, because let's face it. It isn't going to affect older people..........I mean it shouldn't have been voted on in the bleddy first place but here we are. 🙄

JoyceJames Tue 10-Dec-19 08:58:28

Oh yes. My MiL and Brexit.

AnotherNightWatering Tue 10-Dec-19 09:01:02

Tbh I think the Brexit vote should have been age capped, because let's face it. It isn't going to affect older people
Maybe we should exclude the terminally ill as well. hmm

needsomehelptoday Tue 10-Dec-19 09:01:53

Tbh I think the Brexit vote should have been age capped, because let's face it. It isn't going to affect older people


blackcat86 Tue 10-Dec-19 09:03:29

The mind boggles. PIL are hard core conservative voters despite needing significant nhs treatment (FIL for a chronic condition). Both me and DH work in the public sector, DSS lives in a council house with his mum who relies hugely on benefits (DH pays CM of course) and me and DH have a toddler who nearly died due to clinical negligence related to a lack of properly trained numbers of staff. They really buy in to the 'immigrant propaganda' and that Corbyn is somehow connected to the IRA as if wife beater Boris is beyond reproach. MIL actually grew up in a council house with a mentally I'll mother and disinterested father so my only thought is that she is trying to distance herself from this. Who knows.

andpancakesforbreakfast Tue 10-Dec-19 09:07:54

I agree. It's more than odd than elderly parents could consider voting for labour when the economic consequences will be catastrophic for this country and their own family will suffer.
What little they can articulate is scary, but still some people will vote for them. If you think the NHS is bad today, wait until labour takes the reins and go nuts with the budget.
If you can't afford private health care and private pensions, you'll be absolutely screwed. Realistically, it's going to be bad.

Crackerofdoom Tue 10-Dec-19 09:09:15

I don't think it is odd at all. Much as we like to think that our elderly parents are sitting looking adoringly at us building our lives and families and ready to do whatever makes our lives easier, they have their own shit to worry about.

If an older person genuinely believed that money was going to be freed up for public services like healthcare (which they are more likely to use as they get older) it makes perfect sense for them to vote for it.

I also understand the nostalgia people talk about. I am a child of the late early 80s and remember it as being a carefree time because I was young and my parents dealt with everything. When I look at old news clips of what was going on in the world, it was bloody scary!

My mum was born at the start of WW2, is a lifelong socialist and voted remain. But she has had younger people who disagree with her question her marbles too.

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