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AIBU to feel quite so annoyed about this?

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VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 22:37:05

I've spotted on Instagram (always a bad start, but bear with me, this gets better) that lots of people are talking about "the twelve days of Christmas"- and assuming that that period starts on 1st December.

Are you kidding?? Is religious literacy and historical and cultural understanding in our country now so low that a high number of people don't know that the twelve days of Christmas starts ON CHRISTMAS DAY! (Ok, yes, I know about 5th/6th Jan disputed thing).

The twelve days, as I understand it, represent the progress of the Magi to visit Jesus, leading to Ephiphany. I know culturally now Christmas for most people (sadly) seems to end the day after Boxing Day, but FFS.

So we now have trees up at the he's of November, down on Boxing Day, and a huge number of people thinking it's just a commercial tat fest.

Yes, I know most people are not Christian, and many people just have Christmas as their mid winter festival, but for crying out loud!

And please don't start with "the Christians just nicked the date from the pagans anyway" yada yada. Yes, I know, but is it too much to ask that our general population is actually educated to a basic level about what our only real national, collective holiday is and when it takes place?

Rant over. If I had a shed I'd stomp off to it. Feel free to tell me to get a grip.

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 22:38:14

*end of November

OwlBeThere Sun 08-Dec-19 22:39:44

The vast majority of British people aren’t religious so it’s not surprising they don’t know or care. Schools don’t teach it, people don’t go to church/Sunday school for the most part, there isn’t any reason for them to know.

ShirleyPhallus Sun 08-Dec-19 22:40:26

Errrrrm, quite an overreaction there. Tbh, I didn’t know what it stood for beyond the lords a keeping, but I’d have assumed the 12 days before Christmas.

This wasn’t taught at school, I’m not religious so not really of high interest to me. I assume many people are the same.

thefluffysideofgrey Sun 08-Dec-19 22:43:40

I agree and I'm an atheist.

It shows a woeful lack of understanding of the history of their own culture.

For the last thousand years or so, it has been a Christian festival. For that reason alone people should understand it.

It was pagan before that however grin

Whatisthisfuckery Sun 08-Dec-19 22:43:56

Yes, things like this really annoy me too. It’s like people are becoming stupider.

puds11 Sun 08-Dec-19 22:46:56

I don’t think people learn or retain as much any more because the internet is so easily accessible.

MinervaSaidThat Sun 08-Dec-19 22:47:09

YANBU. It's fine for general public not to know, but if you have an Insta account about it you should be accurate.

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 22:49:39

@thefluffysideofgrey thank you! I'm glad someone gets it. To be honest it is the cultural issue for me, as much as the religious one. Where's the sense of pride in people? It's one of our most important festivals and very few people seem bothered about it's actual meaning.

I'm possibly too invested in this hmm

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 22:50:53

@Whatisthisfuckery yup; extremely depressing angry

OwlBeThere Sun 08-Dec-19 22:52:33

What is it’s actual meaning though? You say the pagan aspect is yadda yadda but it does precede the Christian one. Times change, and the meaning of things change as the pagan/Christian thing shows.

Likethebattle Sun 08-Dec-19 22:55:47

The had someone arguing with me that’s it’s 12 days before as that’s where the song comes from?! No it’s 12th night that relates to 12 days after Christmas.

1Morewineplease Sun 08-Dec-19 22:57:42

Blimey... I thought everyone knew what the Twelve Days of Christmas meant ( and I’m atheist.)

Leflic Sun 08-Dec-19 22:57:44

I don’t think it matters what you actually believe. It’s just ignorance to not have basic knowledge about the holiday you are celebrating. I’d include Pagan, Christian and some knowledge of what happens in other countries or religions.

NoSquirrels Sun 08-Dec-19 22:57:56

Ha! Whenever my DC have been moaning that it "doesn't feel like Christmas yet" I have been reminding them that's because it ISN'T - it's Advent.

Yes, I am an arse.

8-year-old parroted it back to me today grin.

HeronLanyon Sun 08-Dec-19 23:00:08

Please don’t stomp out to the shed - I am in there ranting about other things.

NoSquirrels Sun 08-Dec-19 23:00:38

lots of people are talking about "the twelve days of Christmas"- and assuming that that period starts on 1st December.

Also - if they think the 12 days begin on December 1st, what do they think the other days 13th-25th are? fconfused

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 23:09:53

@NoSquirrels I know!!

Some people seem to be becoming so stupid I'm wondering if lead is sneakily being put back in to petrol again or something.

usernamerisnotavailable Sun 08-Dec-19 23:10:47

Drives me potty. People I would usually respect have their trees up end November. Down Boxing Day. I really hate this type of ignorance. Christmas is all about tradition. So at least get it right!!!

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 23:12:00

@OwlBeThere I know significance of things to people changes over time, but my issue is the lack of cultural understanding of our own festival. The people on Instagram are putting up pictures relating to the "twelve days", implying they do some how care about it - but on the completely wrong days!

It's not even Christmas yet - it's Advent!

VestaTilley Sun 08-Dec-19 23:13:01

@usernamerisnotavailable agree!!

I am an old (actually quite young) stick in the mud, but I do get so pissed off about this.

Ellisandra Sun 08-Dec-19 23:14:12

I think it’s a shame when cultural references are lost, but I wouldn’t blame people for it individually - they just haven’t been exposed to it. There are plenty of Judeo-Christian references is art that I don’t get (without reading) that I expect someone ‘less educated’ than me (but Christian) would have got, 100 years ago.

I think the new view of the 12 days of Xmas will be accelerated by expensive ‘advent’ calendars that only have 12 doors, because people associate those calendars with pre-Xmas.

BarbedBloom Sun 08-Dec-19 23:14:13

Well I celebrate Yule so am one of those pagans and do things according to my own traditions. People don't know because the number of religious people seems to be falling, they don't go to Sunday school and my religious education lessons at school were woeful.

Menora Sun 08-Dec-19 23:14:50

This is mainly because they all want to be first to outdo each other, hence people are ‘dropping holiday collections’ in November and earlier and earlier to try to cash in as much as they can. They don’t care about when the 12 days are, it’s just a gimmick that runs between thanksgiving, Black Friday and Christmas’s to make $$$$$$$

sarahjconnor Sun 08-Dec-19 23:15:07

I am a staunch atheist and agree completely. I hate that people take down their tree on Boxing Day, when Xmas has just begun!

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