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y0rkier0se Mon 14-Oct-19 21:17:41

DP works for the Civil Service. He has a week of work booked off over Christmas, and we’ve booked and paid for a cottage for that week. He’s apparently been told today that if Brexit goes ahead on 31st October, all annual leave over Christmas will be cancelled. Does anyone know where we stand on this? Can’t afford to lose £900 on the cottage and don’t see why we should! It’s been booked for nearly a year. Don’t even think travel insurance would cover this sad

Babysharkdoodoodood Wed 16-Oct-19 19:25:25

Ugh. Hating having to work nights this year on Xmas Eve and Day and NYE/Day.

anchor2019 Wed 16-Oct-19 17:02:22

If they are going to use a loophole, I'd suggest you do the same - could you pull a sickie? :grin

feelinghelplesstoday Wed 16-Oct-19 16:56:37

@y0rkier0se is it wrong that I'm pleased I don't have OH under my feet between Christmas and new year? 😂

y0rkier0se Tue 15-Oct-19 18:09:59

No update as of yet from work, but for the person saying “what work will they actually be doing over Christmas?” apparently all those of a certain grade or higher are deemed able to do a HEO position in any area so they could be drafted in to do HEO work for Borderforce etc. We don’t know as the whole debacle is unprecedented.

OldEvilOwl Tue 15-Oct-19 11:22:47

I can't see us leaving on the 31st to be honest, I think it will be extended again until next year sometime.

MrsGrindah Tue 15-Oct-19 09:50:44

Yep. I know civil servants have the image of pen pushers but a lot of us are in behind the scenes roles that are essential to keep this country going. Not glamorous or life saving but essential all the same. Brexit is the biggest risk to our civil stability other than wars so yes it’s better to be prepared.

JammieCodger Tue 15-Oct-19 08:30:51

Completely derailing your thread OP, sorry, but can’t resist the opportunity to educate, particularly if people out there think there won’t be much to do over the Christmas period. So...

The main problem at the moment is that we have no idea yet what kind of terms we’ll be working with on Nov 1st. Factories who import their raw materials don’t know, pharmacists trying to stock up, hospitals trying to staff, farmers exporting their lamb. No one knows. And even when we do know, on the 31st, it will just be very high level, not the detail. And it will be civil servants who can then start to hammer out the detail, to work out how the rules we need on staffing hospitals will effect fruit pickers or football teams. Making sure a line of policy on exports doesn’t have a negative effect on farmers, art sales, shipbuilding... And it’s not just about imports and exports and immigration. It’s everything.

And alongside that we’ll be writing guidance for the farmers and football managers and art dealers, so they know what to do and how to do it. And creating forms and web tools to let them do it. And our comms teams will be working so the people who need to know these changes do know them.
And that’s just a small amount of what will need doing, even if we get the best possible deal. We’ve got a very busy Christmas ahead of us. 😁

absolutelyknackeredcow Tue 15-Oct-19 08:19:36

I work on brexit - although not as a civil servant - it's exhausting. I can't take any leave

absolutelyknackeredcow Tue 15-Oct-19 08:18:42

HMRC staff are utterly critical for Brexit. The whole way we trade will change and instead of good such as food etc through Europe with no paperwork,all of a sudden multiple papers will be needed not just from goods coming from Europe but from those countries such as China etc where currently our trading relations are based on European membership

doublebarrellednurse Tue 15-Oct-19 08:05:38

I'm nhs management and can't book Christmas until we figure this shit show out. Fingers crossed I can have Christmas Day!

Nursing mgt here and same. Not that I've ever really had Christmas off!

JammieCodger Tue 15-Oct-19 08:01:14

It’s every department; Health, Education...everyone not working on an absolute core workstrand is in danger of getting hived off to work on brexit. And what do you think the C stands for in HMRC?

JammieCodger Tue 15-Oct-19 07:56:53

Gah. Fat fingers! ...at the last minute when the people I’ve been supposed to be meeting have been whisked away to work on They’ll be the ones having to cancel their leave.

JammieCodger Tue 15-Oct-19 07:54:44

In a lot of departments large work streams have been dropped and all the people working on them redeployed to try to mitigate the effects of a no deal. I’m fairly safe due to the nature of my current work, but I’ve had meetings cancelled at the last minut

Timeywimey10 Tue 15-Oct-19 07:53:41

Why would HMRC staff be required for Brexit? I understand the police, customs, border staff etc.

And what work would be being done between Christmas and New Year anyway?

LakieLady Tue 15-Oct-19 07:46:55

DP works for a police force in the SE. Their area includes a big chink of coast and some channel ports.

Police officers who have leave already booked are still allowed to take it, but no new leave for the period 1/10/19 - 31/12/19 has been allowed to be booked for some time now. There's not yet been any suggestion that pre-booked leave could be cancelled.

It seems a bit harsh, especially if your DP isn't in a front line role.

y0rkier0se Tue 15-Oct-19 07:20:29

People saying “Did he not see this coming?”, this was booked nearly a year ago, when we were supposed to be leaving in March so didn’t foresee it being an issue at the time of booking. He’s a union rep but apparently this is drafted into Brexit legislature so overrides usual contract. It is possible to go without him I suppose, I’m a teacher so don’t think my holidays will be cancelled grin I’ll update when we find out more

MrsGrindah Tue 15-Oct-19 07:05:49

People saying claim it from the employer...that civil service isn’t like that! OP your husband will have access to reams of HR guidance..he just needs to check it out ASAP but be prepared to accept that the money is gone

JammieCodger Tue 15-Oct-19 06:55:46

I’m CS and have worked in 5 different departments with 5 different leave patterns. The birthday/date of joining ones work best; those that have everyone working to the same date have everyone trying to use up their excess at the same time.

OverthinkingThis Tue 15-Oct-19 06:05:04

Civil service leave is usually birthday to birthday.

Not true at all. DP and I are both CS - mine is April to March and his is based on month of start date.

OP - is your DH in a union? They could advise. Or agree with PP about asking ACAS.

We have a policy that covers recall from annual leave - costs have to be reimbursed. But I don't know how far in advance that applies in terms of when they cancel leave.

BestIsWest Tue 15-Oct-19 05:55:28

DH Leave year begins on his birthday, mine is anniversary of joining. Both CS though different depts.

Spanglyprincess1 Tue 15-Oct-19 05:53:36

Usual pre approved leave is honoured if approved on the it system. If it was just an email yeah that's fine then no it won't be honoured.
It's in the civil service leave policy esp for front line staff.

CasperGutman Tue 15-Oct-19 05:52:28

At least some travel insurance policies will cover this. Mine specifically states it covers cancellation of a trip for employees of Government Departments who have their authorised annual leave cancelled. For anyone looking to buy a policy in future who could be in this position, it would be well worth checking the policy wording before buying.

Good luck getting this sorted, OP! Hopefully Brexit will be delayed and/or cancelled....

Tippety Tue 15-Oct-19 05:43:36

With Brexit looming though did he not consider this might be a possibility? I'd be very surprised if he didn't. It sucks though.

BarbaraofSeville Tue 15-Oct-19 05:29:15

Civil service doesn't mean consistency

It certainly doesn't. Our leave year runs April to March, it used to be calendar year, but it changed when we merged with another organisation. I've never heard of it being tied to someone's birthday or the anniversary of joining.

We also haven't been told of any 'cancellation of leave if Brexit causes a shitshow' policy although I suppose it would be possible.

I have no idea what would happen with reimbursement of booked holidays - OP can you change the booking to another time of year or next Christmas I'm sure they'll let you do it for a small fee and they'll easily be able to relet the property if they have a good 3 months notice.

stargazer2030 Mon 14-Oct-19 23:31:21

Is he in a union? Can they help him with this at all?

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