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To be shocked by the response to the prorogation petition

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Littletabbyocelot Tue 10-Sep-19 10:31:40

I signed the petition against prorouging parliament primarily because I believe Parliament is an important part of our checks and balances and it shouldn't be dismissed when key decisions are being made. It sets a terrible precedent.

I received the response today. It is really long but the first 3 paragraphs are:

'Prorogation is a pregotative act of the crown exercised on the advice of ministers. We must respect the referendum result and the UK will be leaving the EU on the 31st October whatever the circumstances.

'The UK will be leaving the EU on the 31st October whatever the circumstances. We must respect the referendum result.

'Prorogation is a pregotative act of the crown exercised on the advice of ministers to bring about the end of the parliamentary session...'

It then goes on about the process, fixed term parliament and how this prorogation is to allow extra funding for the police and for schools.

AIBU to think that:

1. The government have repeatedly said prorogation wasn't about Brexit so leaving on the 31st shouldn't have been mentioned at all, never mind twice in the first two paragraphs

2. It's very badly written.

3. It should have responded to the actual concern which is that the government shouldn't use tools like this to avoid the checks and balances that parliament provides. What if next time its parliament voting to stop a war?

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Cheeserton Tue 10-Sep-19 10:37:46

It's poor. Very poor. I'm not surprised in the least though.

MrsMaiselsMuff Tue 10-Sep-19 10:38:16

"We'll write some bullshit and hope the little people will go away." Standard Tory response.

The80sweregreat Tue 10-Sep-19 10:38:54

The response was awful.

terraform Tue 10-Sep-19 10:39:33

Not a surprise really. The government doesn't give a toss what a lot of the population thinks.

terraform Tue 10-Sep-19 10:41:28

Actually, this government doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks unless they went to Eton and agree with Johnson.

gruffalo28 Tue 10-Sep-19 10:42:19

YANBU about all of it. Of course prorogation is about Brexit.

MrsMaiselsMuff Tue 10-Sep-19 10:45:13

Parliament voted last night for the government to release all communications around the prorogation. It will be interesting to see what does (or doesn't) come out in the next few days.

raskolnikova Tue 10-Sep-19 10:45:34

I read that email this morning and thought the same.

raskolnikova Tue 10-Sep-19 10:46:57

(Actually I only read the beginning of it and it enraged me so much I stopped there.)

Stressedout10 Tue 10-Sep-19 10:48:26

I had the same email, there's a bit on the bottom of it that allows you to respond to the government. I intend to respond when I can think of something valid to say other than lieing bastards

BonnesVacances Tue 10-Sep-19 10:49:32

I did the same as PP. I started it, got enraged that it was so badly written, so I stopped.

Hannah021 Tue 10-Sep-19 10:55:38

Well the parliament played its worst role in history disrespecting the referendum and not acting in the interest of democracy. Its all appalling and a pile of shame. Those in parliament are there to represent the will of democracy and ensure the government delivers to that, not what delivers to their best interests and the interests of their parties.
Ppl seem to be taking democracy for granted. Complete shambles.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead Tue 10-Sep-19 11:03:22

So which version of "leave" should they have implemented HannahBot?

Cohle Tue 10-Sep-19 11:04:38

I was astonished by how repetitive and badly written it was.

Iggly Tue 10-Sep-19 11:08:54

Well the parliament played its worst role in history disrespecting the referendum and not acting in the interest of democracy. Its all appalling and a pile of shame

Sorry but that’s nonsense. Article 50 was enacted which meant we are leaving.

The problem is that no plan for the manner in which we left was set up before article 5@ was triggered.

Another problem was that ignorant politicians and general public failed to understand that we have a land border with the EU. We aren’t surrounded by the sea.

There are other problems too but I can’t be arsed to run through them.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead Tue 10-Sep-19 11:11:57

I think apart from calling the referendum in the first place the worst thing parliament did was to vote to enact Article 50 without having so much as an iota of a plan.

They are finally behaving how they should, and putting checks and balances on the government, trying to prevent this wealthitarian coup.

I just hope it's not too little too late...

Ireallyneedtonamechangeforthis Tue 10-Sep-19 11:15:04

I thought the same. Who on earth wrote this? I hope their Comms department are turning themselves inside out with embarrassment.

Kazzyhoward Tue 10-Sep-19 11:18:49

"We'll write some bullshit and hope the little people will go away." Standard Tory response.

Funny that when I wrote to Labour MPs and ministers during their 13 years of mismanagement, I got the same kind of pathetically useless replies.

It's not a party issue, MPs are only in it for themselves and don't give a toss what the plebs think. It's nothing new - been the same for decades.

Kazzyhoward Tue 10-Sep-19 11:19:52

Another problem was that ignorant politicians and general public failed to understand that we have a land border with the EU. We aren’t surrounded by the sea.

Don't you know that anything that isn't London doesn't exist and doesn't matter?

Littletabbyocelot Tue 10-Sep-19 11:27:29

Im glad its not just me. I can't find an option to respond, only to read the response online.

Hannah The MPs aren't acting undemocratically. Most of them have voted according to the manifestos that they were democratically elected on. Democracy doesn't simply mean 'vote once on an unclear proposition and the government of the day is free to interpret it however they wish'.

This is especially true when the proposed action breaks a peace treaty within our borders. That wasn't presented as an option on the referendum.

There are plenty of democratic ways to leave. Staying in the customs union would honour the referendum (no promise was made otherwise at the time), holding a second referendum with the exact deal and making it legally binding, holding a general election where the Conservative party explicitly campaigns on no deal which could happen if they promise not to use the election period to crash out. Prorouging parliament is not democratic.

Littletabbyocelot Tue 10-Sep-19 11:29:29

@kazzyhoward, I've seen poor responses before, often very dismissive and making you feel like the process was pointless but I've never had one so long & repetitive and so openly admitting to lying.

NoSquirrels Tue 10-Sep-19 11:32:14

I was astonished by how repetitive and badly written it was.

I’m astonished there’s anyone left to write anything! If I were PR & Comms and half decent at my job I’d have been job-hunting a long time ago!

Tolleshunt Tue 10-Sep-19 11:34:19

I was appalled too. It basically read as: ‘fuck you, you annoying little pleb, and fuck your parliament too. We’re the government, and if we want to ignore the people and their elected representatives then we jolly well will’.

Stressedout10 Tue 10-Sep-19 11:38:03

My mistake I misread the linkblush

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