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To be upset that my manager wont allow me to come into work 15 mins later

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Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:06:26

than usual and stay 15 mins at the end of the day to enable me to drop my son off at summer school for three weeks.

Unlike school where I can drop my 5 year old son off at 8.30am the summer school wont take the children before 9.00am. I asked my manager if for three weeks I could come in 15 mins later and he said he would 'think' about it - this was on Wednesday, I heard nothing so today jsut before I was due to leave work I asked him if he had thought about (thinking that of course he would accommodate my request) he said yes he given it some thought and no I could not. I then said that I would have to take emergency leave then as my priority has to be my children, he said I can do it on Monday but after that I would have to make alternative arrangements I dont have family that I can call upon thats why I have to use paid childcare.

Am I asking too much here?

Jojay Fri 20-Jul-07 22:08:52

Seems a bit harsh, especially as it's only for 3 weeks. Is there a valid business reason why they would find it hard to accommodate?

fannyannie Fri 20-Jul-07 22:09:10

I have to say the first thing that sprung to mind is that you seem to have left it quite late to ask......other than that I don't know really.

LazyLineLegilimens Fri 20-Jul-07 22:09:41

What is your job?

Dumbledior Fri 20-Jul-07 22:10:05

It does seem a little mean.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:10:14

Its not fair on the other managers who don't have children (they have a commitments too) although it does not impact on them at all, only that I perceived to have special arrangements.

edam Fri 20-Jul-07 22:10:29

I think you should have given your manager a lot more notice. Maybe your manager could have been more flexible, but you probably got his back up by giving such short notice.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:11:01

Team Manager.

I only found out this week that the earliest I could drop him off was 9.00am

Miaou Fri 20-Jul-07 22:12:00

Are you in a customer serving role, ie somewhere that "opens" at 9.00 am?

He is within his rights to refuse but it sounds a bit arsey to me

edam Fri 20-Jul-07 22:12:32

If that was his answer, then he's talking rubbish. Flexible working regs. were designed to deal with individual requirements, there's no 'everyone has to do the same' about it. Unfortunately the legal right to flexible working only applies to under-fives IIRC but the principle still applies - he's just being lazy.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:13:47

I got his back up by asking if I could return to work four days a week and was told No, without going through the correct procedure of completing a work options form and having the meeting to discuss accommodating my request. Then I asked if I could work from 9.15 - 5.15 as I have a baby to drop off at nursery after I drop my ds to school. This request was accommodated though.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:15:08

It is customer services but there are 80 plus staff and other team managers that are in at 8.00 and more in at 9.00. It makes no odds at all for me to start at 9.30 or 9.15.

ZZMum Fri 20-Jul-07 22:15:13

He is not talking rubbish -- flexible working is not a right -- the only right is to request it and there is no commitment for the company other than to consider it...

FrayedKnot Fri 20-Jul-07 22:15:26

Are you asking to work for 15 mins less, or are you making up the time?

If so I think it yanbu at all

I work in a pretty flexible environment.

My boss comes in 15 minutes later than most people so he can drop his son at school, so he could hardly refuse me the same privelege, if I requested it.

T*sser. It's on;y for 3 weeks.

Why are people so afriad of flexible working?

twofalls Fri 20-Jul-07 22:16:55

fgs, any reasonable manager would accommodate this request. Its only 15mins for crying out loud and you have offered to make up the time. And really, how much notice do you need to give for 15 mins? YANBU

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:16:57

he said to me "what do you think this is? flexible hours" I was intending to work over the 15 at the end of the day.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:17:52

Whats YANBU ?

twofalls Fri 20-Jul-07 22:18:44

You Are Not Being Unresonable

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:19:44

I just know that on Monday morning I am going to be puled into the office to discus this - its really upset my weekend.

kslatts Fri 20-Jul-07 22:28:06

I think flexible working applies to anyone with children under 6 and the latest you can apply is 2 weeks before you youngest dc turns 6. But, you do have to put in a formal request and the company has 28 days to meet with you to discuss the request, so in your case it's obviously going to be too late.

zzmum - I agree that flexible working is not a right, but the company has to give you a justified business reason why they are refusing your request, saying it's not fair on other managers who do not have children is not a justified business reason and the right to request flexible working doesn't apply to them.


PeachesMcLean Fri 20-Jul-07 22:30:40

ZZMum said "there is no commitment for the company other than to consider it... "

Don't they still have to give a legitimate reason though? They can't just consider it, and then say, no they don't feel like it?

nightowl Fri 20-Jul-07 22:32:25

i was just on a thread trix about getting single mothers (lone parents) back to work and people have very little sympathy for the ones who find it difficult.

this is a prime example of how unreasonable some employers can be, and unfortunately, within their rights.

my boss can be frightening at times, has a bit of a short fuse..but i have to say he has always been more than reasonable with regard to my hours, fitting around my kids. im grateful for that.

i honestly cant see where 15 mins would matter, i dont think you are being unreasonable at all.

LowFatPumpkinJuice Fri 20-Jul-07 22:36:18

as you have a child under 6 you can quote 'primary childcare responsibility' at them and they have to be flexible with you!

It's not like you are'nt offering to make time up!

ZZMum Fri 20-Jul-07 22:36:33

this does not come under the flexible working initiative as that results in a permanent change to the working contract.. so the manager does not need to give a reason.

Trix11 Fri 20-Jul-07 22:41:25

I know I can apply for up to four weeks paternal leave each year to be taken as unpaid leave until the child is 5, I have to give three weeks notice. This request can be turned down.

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