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FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 07:37:56

Putting this up to see if it is CF and I'm right to be pissed off.

Our local nursery does a yearly open day. Partly to let parents mix together, encourage new parents to join, and also to raise funds for additional activities and work. All very jolly and nice. My kids are not nursery age anymore but I still go along with old nursery friends from back in the day to give support, buy a few cupcakes and so on.

So, the open day was at the weekend. Lovely weather and big turn out. Lots of Easter themes and fundraising stuff. All very successful.

One of the events was a Tombola. Usual prizes of wine, chocolate, bit of tat etc. However, one of the prizes was spectacular. A day out with tickets for two to a top of the league derby game with tour of stadium and meal and free drinks. Wow. So knowing DH would like this, and all for charity, I bought a few tickets, but no luck. Friends did similar. Later on we went back and the prize was still there. So, had another few shots and bought some more. Others were doing the same. All the tat was going but the prize remained.

Eventually we drifted off and left and I didn't think anymore of it.

Was chatting in a group chat about other things yesterday and someone mentioned the generous prize. People asked who had won it, anyone we know. Then a better connected parent let us know 'in confidence' that there was no prize and no winning ticket, it was just a way to get people to the stall and buying tickets!

I'm just feeling that's not on. Very sneaky. Or is it very clever as they must've made loads. I spent at least £15. Others more.

AntiHop Wed 24-Apr-19 07:39:40

That's really dishonest. I'd be pissed off.

Easterbunnyhashoppedoff Wed 24-Apr-19 07:39:56

Cf =complete fraud
Bloody disgraceful and can't surely be legal?

Ffsnosexallowed Wed 24-Apr-19 07:40:25

That's appalling!

Inforthelonghaul Wed 24-Apr-19 07:41:21

That’s awful imo.

HopeMatters Wed 24-Apr-19 07:41:37

Whaaaat? Oh my god, that's awful! The scummy bastards shock

They'll realise their mistake next year when no bugger turns up.

Namechangeforthiscancershit Wed 24-Apr-19 07:41:47

Errrr definitely not on, and not a usual Tombola prize either- that would go in a raffle

Gratefulbeyond103 Wed 24-Apr-19 07:43:16

That cant be legal?
shock

ImaginaryCat Wed 24-Apr-19 07:44:47

Contact them, act all innocent, ask who won the top prize. With those kinds of things they're supposed to keep that information, so that they can prove the prize existed and was won by a genuine participant. I'd be curious to hear what they say.

FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 07:45:59

We all wondered momentarily why it wasn't a raffle prize.

Like someone said, won't be spending next year.

MoreSlidingDoors Wed 24-Apr-19 07:46:12

They need a raffle licence to run a tombola, and there are strict rules. You cannot offer prizes that don’t exist.

IceRebel Wed 24-Apr-19 07:47:37

Contact them, act all innocent, ask who won the top prize.

I'd bet you a similarly amazing prize that they can't remember

It's a shit situation OP, do you have a local spotted facebook group where you could anonymously inquire about who won it?

BossyBanana Wed 24-Apr-19 07:47:41

It’s fraud and false advertising.

You should report them and ask for a refund.

EffYouSeeKaye Wed 24-Apr-19 07:49:27

Awful. If true, then that is fraud and the nursery manager / event organiser is accountable.

CuriousaboutSamphire Wed 24-Apr-19 07:50:15

Woah! That is the very definition of an illegal tombola!

I would love to have a filed day with this. Yes to the facebook questions, yes to making a lovely, innocent fuss about it. And yes to seriously considering who you are going to inform... PTA, governors, charity commission etc.

EffYouSeeKaye Wed 24-Apr-19 07:50:34

Was there also a raffle on the go?

FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 07:54:02

No raffle.

The prize had been typed up and framed so someone had gone to quite a bit of trouble to make it.

I did win an iPhone 6 cover, Baylis and Harding bath shit and a bottle of plonk.

DropZoneOne Wed 24-Apr-19 07:56:54

You don't need a licence if all tickets are sold on the day, so can't follow this up with the council.

Is it a registered charity? If so, I'd contact the charity commission.

DonkeyHohtay Wed 24-Apr-19 08:05:37

That's really not on. I have been involved in running dozens of these things over the years and honesty is key.

Do you know the Chair of the committee? I'd be emailing her/him to point out that this sort of thing is illegal and must not be allowed to happen again.

StealthPolarBear Wed 24-Apr-19 08:09:02

shock
I can't believe this didn't ring alarm bells with any of the organisers at any point

Stiffasaboard Wed 24-Apr-19 08:11:28

If have to email someone who was on the committee about that- it’s completely dishonest.

Did they make up the entire gift off the top of their heads? Are you quite sure your friend wasn’t kidding you about it not being real?

sydenhamhiller Wed 24-Apr-19 08:13:08

Oh my, this is really not ok.

As someone said earlier, it is fraud.

I help organise our primary school fair every year, and someone warned us we were doing something wrong by saying if you buy raffle tickets before the day, buy 5, get one free.

That constitutes an unfair advantage apparently, and so we had to stop doing that.

No matter whether it is a competition on tv or a tombola in a church hall, there are rules about these things (just not sure where....). I would definitely don an innocent, quizzical mask and do a bit of digging and ‘oh, I don’t mind if course, but how awful if this was against the law and you got into trouble’ <clasp pearls>

eddielizzard Wed 24-Apr-19 08:20:44

Wow. They shouldn't get away with this.

cakecakecheese Wed 24-Apr-19 08:27:53

What the hell?!

If I was a parent with a child at that nursery I'd be concerned what else whoever came up with that scheme gets up to..

Illberidingshotgun Wed 24-Apr-19 08:33:07

Someone (presumably a member of staff) has been very dishonest. If they are dishonest about this, what else are they dishonest about in the day to day care of the children??

I think I would contact the nursery, explain that I am involved with a local charity (I'm sure there's one that you are involved with in some way, just to ensure you are also not lying) and ask for a contact for the local football club, as you would love it if they could offer something similar again. mention that you will be contacting the football club anyway, marvelling at their generosity, and asking if they would do the same again, but it may help to know who they are in contact with there.

In fact I think I actually would contact the football club themselves, I don't think they would be too happy about it. Most clubs will do a lot for the local community, offer prizes etc, but I don't think they would be pleased at this being done in their name.

IncrediblySadToo Wed 24-Apr-19 08:38:21

OK, this has to have broken a law, a rule, a something, somewhere. It’s wrong, really wrong.

However, it was done by some numpty at the local nursery, with good intentions, for a good cause. Not by a money grabbing commercial enterprise.

Do you know the manager? If so, and you think they’re decent, just give them a call and see what they have to say. If it’s a long the lines of ‘What?😳. OMG I’ll look into it’ then, job done. If it’s ‘Meh ‍🤷🏻‍♀️ s night not a big deal’ then take it further.

XXcstatic Wed 24-Apr-19 08:40:41

Agree with illberiding - contact the football club. I also agree with PPs saying that this raises serious concerns about the judgement of all those involved: not just in terms of honesty, but also in terms of their common sense - anyone with half a brain would anticipate that this would get out and that they will never be able to raise money in the future.

Worth remembering, though, that - at this stage - you don't know for sure that the big prize wasn't awarded, so definitely check with the football club first.

TheOxymoron Wed 24-Apr-19 08:43:27

This is tricky as it is clearly wrong.
These type of things happen all the time and people don’t realise that it’s breaking gambling laws and alcohol laws just by holding the event itself.

IceRebel Wed 24-Apr-19 08:43:29

However, it was done by some numpty at the local nursery, with good intentions, for a good cause. Not by a money grabbing commercial enterprise.

The local nursery could be part of a chain, so funds raised may well be going to a money grabbing commercial enterprise.

Skittlesandbeer Wed 24-Apr-19 08:47:49

I think that as a ‘past parent’ you are in the perfect position to call them out on this. But I’d do it carefully. If your original intention was to support the fundraising, and you believe the service they provide is a worthy one, then don’t get them fined out of existence by the relevent authorities either.

Make a ‘surgical’ stink, not a formal one. And be careful the gossip you heard about it being fake was 100% true. Sounds incredible to me!

I went to a (small) charity auction recently where I quickly recognised the ‘unique oil painting by famous artist’ was actually a print. One of 1000. The back of the frame had been ‘artfully’ hidden, but it didn’t stop me checking. The organiser begged me (practically in tears) not to ‘out’ her. It was a silent auction, so I quietly mentioned it to anyone entering a bid. Not as a drama, or to show off my credentials, just enough to salve my conscience! Luckily for the charity, everyone was drunk enough (and wealthy enough) not to mind too much. But afterwards I made sure the committee members were aware of how ‘newsworthy’ these stunts can be, and how expensive (in fines and reputation).

Even though I’ve seen this happen in front of me, I still can’t quite believe this kind of Cheeky Fuckery actually happens. I’d be sick with worry of repercussions, even if I didn’t have an ethical reason for not doing it. When it’s done on purpose, it’s just gob-smacking!

DonkeyHohtay Wed 24-Apr-19 08:50:37

However, it was done by some numpty at the local nursery, with good intentions, for a good cause.

That really doesn't make it OK though. The scenario mentioned previously about selling tickets in advance and giving an extra one is a concept which you could be forgiven for not knowing about.

Even a numpty would know that it's not right to advertise a prize which doesn't exist.

zingally Wed 24-Apr-19 08:51:28

Yup, that's false advertising at best, fraud at worst.

I'd ask directly, who won the top prize, and if they can't give that info, I'd be dropping a line to the local paper. They'd love a story like that!

DarklyDreamingDexter Wed 24-Apr-19 08:53:18

It's not CF, it's fraud. Even tombolas and raffles at schools and village fetes are ruled by law. I believe the Gambling Commision regulates what companies and individuals can do when running a tombola. Report the nursery to them. www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk

Waveysnail Wed 24-Apr-19 08:53:33

I'm arsey. I'd be going in to ask who won the big prize

Sexnotgender Wed 24-Apr-19 08:58:27

I’d be very very sure of your facts before doing anything.

If they have done this it’s appalling.

EdWinchester Wed 24-Apr-19 09:04:39

If true, that is really shocking!

JaneEyre07 Wed 24-Apr-19 09:18:23

I'd have to email the Manager, and say how appalled you are at the nature of this.

I don't think I'd report it, but I'd let them know how disappointing it is and that you won't be financially supporting them anymore in future.

NataliaOsipova Wed 24-Apr-19 09:21:41

If I was a parent with a child at that nursery I'd be concerned what else whoever came up with that scheme gets up to..

This was my thought- these are people you’re trusting to maintain the highest possible standards when it comes to the care of small children...?

astrologicalzoo Wed 24-Apr-19 09:25:05

It’s obtaining money by deceit.

Horrible thing to do.

Ask them for details of who won or you’ll be going to the local newspaper

PregnantSea Wed 24-Apr-19 09:27:32

This has spilled over from CF into illegal. Definitely stick something about that on social media! Do some digging first - don't just go off what a friend has said, make sure you have some proof.

TaliZorahVasNormandy Wed 24-Apr-19 09:29:23

During my daughters last year of school, they had a summer fate. There was a raffle with a few good prizes. All the prizes went to the organisers.

FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 09:29:54

Thanks for the comments. They're a lovely nursery and someone has been a bit stupid. Think it's a parent volunteer who did the Tombola.

Also going to double check the facts as it would be awful to say something and it be wrong. confused

Margot33 Wed 24-Apr-19 09:29:57

Thsts actually fraud. Send in an e-mail and encourage others to. Don't go next year.

Figgygal Wed 24-Apr-19 09:33:13

Really poor form from them
I'd not support them again

LizzieMacQueen Wed 24-Apr-19 09:37:54

Get Ted Hastings onto them, mother of god.

IncrediblySadToo Wed 24-Apr-19 09:39:36

That really doesn't make it OK though

🙄 No and that would be why I said OK, this has to have broken a law, a rule, a something, somewhere. It’s wrong, really wrong

kateandme Wed 24-Apr-19 09:42:35

out them.are you in the derby area then.i sure many on here in the area would help shame this nursery for this appalling behavior!
im very close to someoene who works for derby fc and he would be fucking livid.

MzHz Wed 24-Apr-19 09:45:20

Get Ted Hastings onto them, mother of god.

gringringrin That made me spit my virtual tea out

KC225 Wed 24-Apr-19 09:47:39

That is so bad, I would be furious. I thought you were going to say they kept the winning ticket out of the bucket until the end. I was not expecting no prize at all.

FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 09:52:54

Yes, definately getting Ted onto this, fella.

LuckyLou7 Wed 24-Apr-19 09:55:13

Absolutely fraud, it's not cheeky fuckery, it's far worse than that. I would report this.

Itssosunny Wed 24-Apr-19 10:02:19

I don't buy raffle tickets. The prizes mostly go to the parents who had organised the event, their children and friends.

FairNotFair Wed 24-Apr-19 10:03:55

Kate - I don't think it's necessarily in the Derby area - I think the OP is using "derby" to imply a local rivalry. Could be wrong though!

Omzlas Wed 24-Apr-19 10:07:26

Call the nursery and ask who won

Cheeky bastards

ReanimatedSGB Wed 24-Apr-19 10:20:38

First, check that your information is true. Second, have a quiet word with the nursery before taking any further action. Yes, they are legally responsible even if the person who actually had this bright idea was some random parent volunteer, but do you want to trash their business publicly over it?
It was a silly, dishonest thing to do but far worse scams (oh, like all religions, the entire slimming industry and most 'alternative' health remedies) are perpetrated on a regular basis, so don't get yourself all revved up by the self-righteous pricks on here. Whoever did it probably had reasonably good intentions and thought it was harmless enough as, after all, only one person could have won the prize so there would still have been loads of disappointed people.

friendlycat Wed 24-Apr-19 10:25:43

Actually this is completely against the law. This type of raffle is known as an incidental non commercial lottery and by law you can legally run this for a raffle raising funds for the situation you describe. However, by law all ticket sales must be on the day and all DRAW activity must be held publically on the day itself as well. Therefore, legally you would then know the winners of that top prize. The Gambling Commission has clear rules on this. Even various PTA websites list what is required legally. If it was me I would have a quiet word with somebody so that this does not ever happen again, as if anybody was to complain at the very least all monies would need to be returned to people who had purchased tickets but more seriously somebody could easily contact the Gambling Commission to investigate. I'm sure it was somebody being "rather enthusiastic" in their fundraising but they were breaking the law and understandably you are talking about it as others may be doing so. Even taking away the legalities which are there for a purpose, asking people to pay for a prize that simply does not exist is very morally wrong and frankly raises other questions about the integrity of the Nursery itself.

MissEliza Wed 24-Apr-19 12:44:38

I wouldn't let that drop Op. That's disgusting

cakecakecheese Wed 24-Apr-19 13:46:34

Haha yes Ted Hastings would definately definately sort this out, after a bit of casual sexism.

cakecakecheese Wed 24-Apr-19 13:47:12

Oops definitely perhaps I'm H grin

FreshAprilStart Wed 24-Apr-19 17:16:01

You so are H after that slip up.

It's a lifetimes work.

Thistownaintbigenough Wed 24-Apr-19 17:24:27

It's like bottle tombolas where you end up with bottles of water because they only drop in a winning ticket for a decent prize every so often. Seen a few of those around!

youknowmedontyou Wed 24-Apr-19 17:28:41

Bloody poor show!

NewSchoolNewName Wed 24-Apr-19 17:40:53

If this is true, it’s illegal and fraudulent as pp say.

I think I’d have a quiet word with the nursery management and say something along the lines of there’s a rumour going around that big prize was fake and didn’t exist, and suggest they check this out as surely they know it’s illegal (and bad publicity for the nursery) to have prizes that don’t exist.

CharityConundrum Wed 24-Apr-19 22:03:14

I'm amazed that nobody rocked up at the end of the day and said 'Ok, I'll buy all the remaining tickets and take everything that's left' which is what normally seems to happen if there's anything halfway decent at the end of a tombola.

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