To think tenants aren't aware of the effect the section 21 ban will have?

[Treacletoots]

Another win for tenants... No more no fault evictions. Or is it a case of be careful what you wish for?

An unintended consequence of this will likely be more section 8 notices if a landlord needs to remove a tenant. Section 8 notices usually are accompanied by a CCJ if they are successful and due to rent arrears. Currently most landlords use section 21 to save the hassle of court and the tenant doesnt get a CCJ.

Good landlords simply don't evict good tenants for no reason. It doesn't make sense. With the tenant fee bans it makes even less sense to remove tenants and then have to fork out again to refresh the property, re reference new tenants, advertise etc.

In 90%of cases tenancies are ended by the tenant and in only 2% are they revenge evictions. Landlords will be more worried than ever to let to higher risk tenants so may just sell up, losing houses from the rental market. Local authorities don't have enough housing to re home people and so this will likely cause more homeless.

Can nobody else see that banning section 21 will likely lead to more suffering, not less!

[NoBaggyPants]

You're a landlord aren't you?

Good landlords simply don't evict good tenants for no reason.

Bad landlords do. Your figure of 2% for revenge evictions only accounts for those reported as such, so not a true representation of how big the problem is getting.

If someone owes rent they're going to end up with a CCJ irrespective of what means of eviction is used.

Honestly, you just sound bitter that your property is becoming less profitable.

[Purplelion]

I was evicted 2 years ago and my landlord used a section 21. Her reason...Your newborn baby isn’t working out in the house!
If it stops her doing that to someone else I’ll be happy!

[GummyGoddess]

If the market is flooded with properties, the cost will go down which is what many people want/need.

[CalmDownPacino]

Good landlords simply don't evict good tenants for no reason

Completely untrue.

[MilkTwoSugarsThanks]

Hopefully enough landlords will decide to sell up to bring property prices down. Then a lot of those who currently have to rent may be able to buy.

🦄🌈🌺

[Chouetted]

Some landlords were in the habit of issuing the Section 21 as soon as you move in.

I used to live in a flat where I got a section 21 every time I renewed the lease. It didn't really make me feel terribly welcome!

[PristineCondition]

We if the landlords all en mass sell then prices go down and its a win win.

Ive only seen shit landlords complain about this new law

[BoneyBackJefferson]

Good landlords simply don't evict good tenants for no reason.

I look at this and it really pisses me off, honestly the only reason would be if you are selling and even then if sold to the right person/group the tenant could still stay.

From what I have seen (and I have seen it a lot) is that landlords get rid of tenants using section 21 and keep on renting the property to other tenants.

[MsMarvellous]

I'm a landlord and I'm pretty happy with it. I'm glad my tenant will feel even more secure and if we ever decide to sell in the future we'd give him tons and tons of notice anyway so it makes no odds. I'll be interested to see the time frames on replacement legislation. Hopefully a full 4-6 months for notice to tenants if they are being asked to leave for reasons personal to the landlord.

[leghairdontcare]

Good landlords simply don't evict good tenants for no reason.

My friend and her two children are being evicted because our town has had a boost in tourism and the landlord has decided he can make more money renting it through air BnB.

[greatbigwho]

I was almost evicted because my landlord had a falling out with someone who worked in the letting agency.

I've also been evicted for literally zero reason in the past. House went back on the market at the exact rent I was paying. I'd looked after the house, made repairs, got my full deposit back, paid on time. They just decided they wanted different tenants.

[Singlenotsingle]

I'm a landlord and I can't see why I would ever evict a tenant for no reason. You end up having to refund the deposit, go in and redecorate, and quite possibly have a void for a few months! And I'd be quite happy to give my tenant 6 months notice anyway.

[Doobydoo]

We were served a section 21. Had been in house for 3 years. Unfortunately it was prob a revenge eviction due to mould etc etc and other things. They then rented it to 3 people who work on their chicken farm. They are shits and I really still cannot think about them without feeling real anger.

[PrimrosePhantasm]

The only type of person who would be complaining about this are those who are twatty landlords (cough....op)

[greatbigwho]

And no, good landlords won't evict people for no reason, so this will make zero difference to them.

But hopefully the shit landlords who like to dick tenants about? Hopefully it'll make it harder for them.

[BroomstickOfLove]

I don't know anyone in my city who's rented the same home for 5 years without being evicted so that the landlord either can sell the house/flat or turn the sitting room into an extra bedroom and rent it out to students.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

I’m guessing this didn’t go the way you planned op, hopefully the ‘no dss’ clause will be the next thing to go, let’s hope rent caps also become a thing and then I’m guessing your chips will be well and truly pissed on, poor OP

[TheGrey1houndSpeaks]

I see the usual fallacy of “when they’re all forced to sell, the prices will go down and we can all afford to buy!” being trotted out yet again.
The property market simply doesn’t work like that, folks.

[countrygirl99]

Good landlords might not but there are a lot of shit landlords. When DS1 was renting the landlord tried to give them 1 week notice as she decided to sell and wanted the house clear before the estate agent took photos.

[Bisset]

I'm a landlord and I'm pretty happy with it. I'm glad my tenant will feel even more secure and if we ever decide to sell in the future we'd give him tons and tons of notice anyway so it makes no odds

Genuine question

What if they refuse to leave?

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

The real problem is, as I said in another thread, is that this new law will make no difference to 90%+ of all tenancies.

New laws are already being rolled out that will have some pretty negative changes to every tenancy, but as they are inflicted directly on the landlord few column inches have been give to them.

That and existing laws cover the real issues many tenants have. The problem is with the policing. Local authorities don't have the resources, police don't know or have the resources to property protect tenants.

And nothing so far protects landlords from the real issues caused by a minority of tenants either.

It is all just window dressing, written by people with little understanding and/or an oddly one sided agenda (yes, I am thinking of you, Shelter).

[Treacletoots]

I've never used a section 21, or needed to. I carefully vet and reference all the tenants Ive ever had and so far have been incredibly lucky. And agree that only shit landlords are worried about the legislation.

I am however still concerned that bad landlords will still operate badly and this won't stop their unethical behaviour.

I've also quoted the government's own stats on revenge eviction so I am genuinely shocked so many of you have had to deal with that.

And no, I'm not bitter, it won't affect any 'profits' Although the stereotype of rich landlords making tons of money is a bit unrealistic. The vast majority of us are normal people with regular jobs who are investing in property for a pension.

The new tax legislation made sure to take any profit years ago...

[starzig]

They might just be fussier over who they take on in the first place.

[Bisset]

I'm a landlord and I can't see why I would ever evict a tenant for no reason. You end up having to refund the deposit, go in and redecorate, and quite possibly have a void for a few months! And I'd be quite happy to give my tenant 6 months notice anyway.

Again though... what if you needed the property back... say to sell ... and your tenant declined to leave after 6 months, but didn’t breech their contract (therefore can’t use Section 8, I don’t think?)?

What happens then?

[Treacletoots]

That's exactly it. Less property available because landlords are now worried they won't be able to evict bad tenants. Not just evict for no reason. Most section 21s are issued because its quicker and seen as no fault despite there being valid reason s to evict. Arrears, trashing the house etc Contrary to a pp, you won't get a ccj if your landlord uses s21 for rent arrears compared to a s8.

Less properties to rent means landlords can be more fussy about who they choose to rent to.