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justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 13:47:25

Was quite shocked to see this. Will this be a test case? Mumsnet is such a tame well run site compared to the comments I see in the online press. Is the writing on the wall for free (cough) speech or is it a culling of trolling. Personally I think that something needs to be done, some folk have no filter or are just plain nasty.

news.yahoo.com/transgender-activist-wins-court-ruling-forcing-parenting-website-reveal-identity-alleged-online-abuser-121317596.html

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:03:17

Ah well guess no-one else is worried about the boom being lowered.

Skyzalimit Wed 10-Apr-19 20:04:44

It's not tame though- it's home to a lot of prejudice, directed specifically at transgender people

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:07:25

My OH is shocked by this. The Daily Mail and other publications are going to be tied up in moderating comments that up till now they have let slip through. Celebrities anyone in the public eye with money will now have recourse. If this is in fact a test case.

Tiscold Wed 10-Apr-19 20:07:30

Also the comments posted are criminal and have been so extreme for a judge to say that what was said constitutes a crime. So they're not cracking down on free speech, they're cracking down on crime.

If someone knew something about a crime that happened against me i would want them to come forward, and mumsnet knows those details so should come forward

sackrifice Wed 10-Apr-19 20:10:46

Also the comments posted are criminal and have been so extreme for a judge to say that what was said constitutes a crime. So they're not cracking down on free speech, they're cracking down on crime.

The 'crime' of what exactly?

If criminals can hide their identity by changing name [and gender] and nobody must ever speak of it, even though they themselves refer to it, where does that leave the DBS system?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD Wed 10-Apr-19 20:11:54

Or maybe someone posted in the anticipation/hope of someone bringing action against the site? If I wanted to shut a site up of try to worry posters that’s what I’d do. Or her a friend to do it.

And one more time for the people at the back - being pro women is not transphobia. But threatening women who disagree with you or point out biology, and saying they should die in a grease fire (not even sure what that is) is just being a horrible, nasty misogynist. But hey, that’s ok these days isn’t it?

sackrifice Wed 10-Apr-19 20:12:10

it's home to a lot of prejudice, directed specifically at transgender people

It is 'prejudiced' to want females to retain their 'rights' now is it?

RUOKHUN Wed 10-Apr-19 20:15:56

Good. Some of the stuff said here is, quite frankly, vile. And yes it is transphobic and a hate crime no matter what you all argue. That’s the law.

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:16:04

Take hate speech which is considered a crime, a lot of comments posted by someone calling themselves joebloggs123 across the internet say means that they will be uncovered. Wasn`t there a case a few years ago where a woman on twitter was unmasked and killed herself because her family, friends, neighbours had found out.

With the threats on politicians in the UK I think the wind may be a changing.

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking Wed 10-Apr-19 20:16:35

We had this this morning.

Rightly so the lady in question is able to challenge trolls

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD Wed 10-Apr-19 20:17:04

Define ‘hate crime’ and ‘crime’ please.

Skyzalimit Wed 10-Apr-19 20:17:51

No, but I have personally received many very abusive responses when I have advocated for an empathic and supportive approach towards trans people. Many were reported as hate speech and subsequently removed.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD Wed 10-Apr-19 20:20:14

But what constitutes hate speech? Insults, disagreements, threats?

MorningsEleven Wed 10-Apr-19 20:21:22

it's home to a lot of prejudice, directed specifically at transgender people

And it needs called out. It needs challenged and the prejudice needs to stop.

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:21:43

They may have been removed but a screen grab taken at the time means comments made in the past can still be used. How often do you see folk remove twitter comments that the media have grabbed so they are still out there.

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S1naidSucks Wed 10-Apr-19 20:24:06

Blimey, OP, it looks like there’s been a few ‘characters’ just lurking in the wings to attack as soon as this issue was raised. Apparently it’s transphobic to refuse to believe people can change sex and to centre actual women. 🤷‍♀️

Spoddy Wed 10-Apr-19 20:24:35

Quite astonishing when you can read utterly vile comments directed at women across various social media platforms but as soon as its a TW involved it's a hate crime.

Foxyscarf Wed 10-Apr-19 20:24:58

Totally. The transphobia on here is rife. Despite the supposed crackdown.

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:26:23

Consider this cybercrime.

The UAE's cybercrime laws apply extraterritorially and retroactively. The Cybercrime laws prohibit sharing charities online such as Amnesty international, they prohibit fundraising, sharing photos taken in public, for example that includes a vehicle or other people.

'The laws further forbid anything 'defamatory' against the UAE and this can even include the reporting of a news article and further prohibit the use of a VPN.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47862596

S1naidSucks Wed 10-Apr-19 20:26:34

I have advocated for an empathic and supportive approach towards trans people.

Translation. Learn to be ‘nice’ women, move over and centre transwomen.

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:27:47

Can we step away from this particular case I was using it as an example I have posted another above. It is the bigger picture I am more interested in.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD Wed 10-Apr-19 20:28:58

I say there’s hate on here
Me too!
I agree
Oh yes all over the place
Si si
Mai oui
Absolutely
You’re all right it’s a cesspit. I’m off to Twitter to harass some women and tell them to die in a grease fire.
Wait for me!
Oh me too!

justasking111 Wed 10-Apr-19 20:32:46

Is this not a forum for intelligent serious conversation?

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