To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?(783 Posts)
OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.
Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....
It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.
I noticed that the pound fell almost that much against the Euro during the evening on which the referendum count was being made, starting well before the first result had been announced and getting really low the following morning. I think it has been reasonably steady -- ie remaining at roughly the same degree of badly down on the rate before that evening -- ever since.
So I suppose "the pound is holding steady against the Euro": it's been that bad for the past two-and-a-half years, but it's been consistently that bad.
@scaryteacher The pound has fallen 12% against the euro since the referendum. That’s a fact, not project fear.
Given Slovakia's new president is likely more liberal than whoever we are lumped with post-May, they probably have more to fear from us than the other way round
before the ref, scaryteacher posted a lot about her great concern of turkey joining the Eu andbritain having no say.
i think its to her credit that she realises that she was spreading lies and has now turned her attention to project-fearing about other countries.
I think you'd be surprised as to the result. In 6 years time, you'll have further enlargement, and it will be the Balkans joining, Montenegro, Serbia (sex trafficking, gun running, drugs trafficking with huge amounts of organised crime and little respect for human life) to name but two. That worries me
@scaryteacher....it is clear from your posts that you do have some idea of how the EU works - through the rather distorted lense of the UK military- so you MUST know that no new country can join the EU without all the other MS saying yes to the arrangement.
Your implication that this could somehow be foisted on the UK is a continuation of the blatant lies and deceit that characterised the leave campaign. Why are you posting this stuff?
Bloody Project Fear, the current scenario is worse than anything people accused of that could ever have dreamed of.
Ah yes, Project Fear. Explanation of worst case scenarios is apparently worse than lying. Actual lies. That people fell for: That bus. Bendy bananas. Shit like that.
"Project Fear" is such a lazy meme. If people had said a year ago that three days after the official leaving date we still would have no idea what if any deal we would have for Brexit, they would have had "Project Fear" hurled at them.
If the worries around medication and cancer treatment isotopes are just "Project Fear", scaryteacher, would you care to explain how we are to organise a steady supply in the course of the next 10 days?
@scaryteacher you seem to be getting confused.
Your point was that the referendum was that the referendum was legal.
I pointed out that illegal activities occurred during the referendum therefore disqualifying the result.
You then said You mean with Project Fear from HMG, and the so well balanced leaflet that the taxpayer funded? - so you now agree with me?
You believe the activities in the campaign made the legally organised but illegally run referendum invalid. Thank you.
The Brexit Day demonstrations yesterday attracted a range of extremists and ended with the far right looking for a fight - attacking the police, the media, and one another.
My maths is considerably less out than yours - if we crash out without a deal in less than two weeks, I know people dependent on medication, who as yet do not know whether they will be able to obtain it. That is much more important than a lot of if's buts and maybes which might happen in 6, 10, 20 years time.
As for NATO - the usual story is that we have NATO so we don't need an EU army, so I assume you welcome that.
Langrish Montenegro may be sooner as it is now a NATO ally, normally a precursor to EU accession, as is Albania. Serbia may be a tad more problematic, given the bombings.
Peregrina Your maths is out, 2025 or sooner is when the new accessions are to start, and that's in 6 years. I am also concerned about what will happen over the ensuing decades with the EU...aren't you?
As for Project Fear, HMG has been trying that one, and the sky didn't fall in when we voted Leave, interest rates haven't risen hugely, and the pound is holding steady against the Euro.
Windows You mean with Project Fear from HMG, and the so well balanced leaflet that the taxpayer funded?
The idea that Gove will become PM is astonishing. The only possible silver lining I see, trying to claw something back from this disaster, is that that will really, really piss Johnson off.
Small solace, I know, but I’ll take whatever crumb I can right now.
So we will see a flood of Leavers condemning Gove and Johnson as leaders of the campaign which supported breaking electoral law then?
No, thought not some how.
The original referendum wasn't illegitimate...it was held by HMG. You may not have liked the campaign's, or the outcome, but the referendum was legal, otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed to run.
The Government's QC admitted in court that the contraventions of electoral law around the referendum meant that had the referendum being legally binding it would have had to have been annulled. It is the ultimate irony that because, legally, this referendum was only advisory and not binding, it therefore was left to stand.
Disgusting. The whistleblower had to out himself to his family in Pakistan where being gay is a crime and had to organise security for his family. His personal life had nothing to do with this. Cheap and dirty game. Theresa May should be ashamed of herself.
The Electoral Commission has found the Leave campaign to be illegal and it’s dropped its appeal. In other words, it’s admitted its guilt, what more proof do you want?
All Project Fear scaryteacher of what might happen in 20 or 30 years, whereas with No Deal, medicine and food shortages are likely to be a reality in a matter of weeks.
Turkey was trying for something like 35 years to join the EEC/EU and with their human rights record getting absolutely nowhere. Under Erdogan they have decided not to bother.
You may not have liked the campaign's, or the outcome, but the referendum was legal, otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed to run
You may be a degree holding professional but you don't understand the basics of law.
During the referendum campaign acts occurred contrary to electoral law and that is why it was illegal.
And (poor grammar, I know!) did I just imagine Brexiteers demanding that Our British Parliament should be sovereign and “take back control”.
Well it has, so perhaps they should just STF up and in future be careful what they wish for.
Those countries, like any, won’t be considered for membership until they reform and fulfil the membership criteria.
Which is why Turkey (remember those millions of marauding Turks (80 million, I think he said) Boris warned us would come streaming over our borders, will not be admitted.
There were Leavers moaning in the Mail's Comments section about Parliament taking over control of the Parliamentary process because, and I quote, "Who elected them?"
scaryteacher, the fact that the referendum was run by the government makes no difference whatsoever to the fact that its result is invalidated by the fraud and electoral malpractice for which the Leave campaign was responsible. The government has admitted that, if this had happened in an election the result would have had to be nullified. The only reason it hasn't been is that the Electoral Commission doesn't have the power in relation to a purely advisory vote, which was all this was.
The BBC’s choice of background music isn’t helping anything though: Land of Hope and Glory vs. Flight of the Valkyrie
😂 or 😡, can’t quite decide! Depends what their motivation is I guess. Do hope its tongue in cheek.
Bloody auto correct, campaigns, not campaign's.
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