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bert3400 Tue 26-Mar-19 23:25:22

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/26/the-16m-new-york-penthouse-fit-for-a-uk-civil-servant.

So our schools & NHS are struggling...but Jeremy Cunt can authorise this

Treaclesweet Wed 27-Mar-19 07:10:33

Absolutely ridiculous! No money for the NHS, no plan for how people will get their medicine, but 16 million pounds for a fancy flat. The blatant corruption of this government is insane.

Queenunikitty Wed 27-Mar-19 07:23:00

This flat will be used to host important networking/business drinks/parties/meetings every day. It is not all going to be given over to be his personal space. That’s why it needs to be so large, it also needs to be impressive to show the world what a great prosperous nation we are. It is much more cost effective than maintaining a historic building with lots of staff. Also a bonus that the building is designed by a British architect. We have these working residences all over the world. You can bet the French, Germans and Italians have the equivalent. I have visited many, many of these places globally, it’s about how we project ourselves to the world, international trade is something we once dominated, educate yourself.

bert3400 Wed 27-Mar-19 07:28:46

That's fair enough when thier is a budget for essential and the country isn't on its knees. I wonder how many Tory ministers will get to use it for a nice little jolly. 7 bedrooms FFS ...yeah we are all in this shit together

ThumbWitchesAbroad Wed 27-Mar-19 07:44:27

^"it also needs to be impressive to show the world what a great prosperous nation we are.it also needs to be impressive to show the world what a great prosperous nation we are.^"

Ahahahaa. Lie to everyone else, you mean then. The only people prospering in the UK at the moment seem to be the Cuntservatives and their allies at the top.

longwayoff Wed 27-Mar-19 07:52:55

Oh this is absolutely ESSENTIAL and will facilitate schmoozing as bits of the NHS are flogged off to US companies.

Acis Wed 27-Mar-19 07:53:46

If it's a networking space, why are 7 bedrooms needed?

ShatnersWigIsActuallyAMammoth Wed 27-Mar-19 08:01:01

Be prepared for more of this with Brexit. We'll be doing all sorts of this in all sorts of countries as part of trying to get trade deals to replace the loss of the ones with the EU27.

PregnantSea Wed 27-Mar-19 08:01:36

A great prosperous nation? Have I gone back in time? Last time I checked we were the laughing stock of the western world.

kingfisherblue33 Wed 27-Mar-19 08:01:51

1. Remember that the Guardian is a left-wing paper.
2. Where would you find a property with a huge space for entertaining but no bedroms, Acis?? That's what these apartments have been designed for. They will be full of diplomats.
3. Agree with Queenunikitty. The UK can't hold post-Brexit talks in a Manhattan townhouse or a slum in the projects. The property needs to inspire confidence in the UK. <hollow laugh. As if the rest of the world hasn't been laughing at our govt's pathetic attempts to negotiate Brexit>

GCAcademic Wed 27-Mar-19 08:02:43

international trade is something we once dominated, educate yourself.

I’m pretty sure I understand how we dominated international trade. It was by having an empire, not by schmoozing people and getting on our knees in front of US medical companies and their industrial farming lobby. Neither are anything to be proud of.

cdtaylornats Wed 27-Mar-19 08:10:16

Annual budget NHS 127.7 billion
So the cost is about 1 ten billionth of a percent of the NHS budget for 1 year. Not really going to make a difference. Numerical illiteracy is a real problem.

This is an asset it will hold its value.

Do you think Britain's consul general should have trade meetings in the bike shed round the back of the UN?

It will have 5 bedrooms as the staff rooms are being removed. Perhaps the occupant might have children or visitors - perhaps you'd prefer if he had to live a lonely existence.

Still good to see the harridans of the left coming out with the usual Tory bashing shite.

longwayoff Wed 27-Mar-19 08:12:49

Is it not in Trump Tower? That would be particularly fitting.

BarbarianMum Wed 27-Mar-19 08:14:51

I thought we once dominated international trade by having a strong navy and colonising everything and exploiting it. Not dure it was down to entertaining space- or is the the C21 equivalent? Look at our selection of canapes and tremble at our might!

GPatz Wed 27-Mar-19 08:15:27

'Educate yourself' 🙄

Heratnumber7 Wed 27-Mar-19 08:16:40

7 bedrooms for all the staff to sleep in in surely. Cheaper than a hotel.

Yabbers Wed 27-Mar-19 08:28:26

But if there was an overseas trip and it transpired that they spent a million pounds in putting up MPs and their staff, including the security there would be an outcry?

There are seven rooms because a minister doesn’t just hop on the plane with their carry-on backpack by themselves.

JocelynBell1 Wed 27-Mar-19 08:43:02

longwayoff Wed 27-Mar-19 07:52:55
Oh this is absolutely ESSENTIAL and will facilitate schmoozing as bits of the NHS are flogged off to US companies.

This.

Like it or not, the UK will NEED a trade-deal with the US and we will will need to flog significant parts of the NHS to get the deal.

rollwiththis Wed 27-Mar-19 08:46:47

Don't know if it's worse that m they've spent such a ridiculous amount or that other ordinary people are defending it while other ordinary folk are dying waiting for their disability benefits 🤔. There are these amazing things called hotels. They have meeting rooms. It's even rumoured that there are some to be found in New York.

Evilspiritgin Wed 27-Mar-19 08:51:33

Why is it the us healthcare that’s bandied about, it’s like there is no other country in the world with private health care

Bluerussian Wed 27-Mar-19 08:57:01

I don't get why you are so cross, Bert, when you consider the purpose behind this purchase. Nor why you call Jeremy a 'c**t'. Totally unnecessary.

Treaclesweet Wed 27-Mar-19 09:00:44

Numerical illiteracy is a real problem.

As I can see from your post. Its actually about 0.01% or one-hundreth of a percent wink

@cdtaylornats

thedisorganisedmum Wed 27-Mar-19 09:06:20

When you see how much the royal family costs us, I cannot get worked up about that one. Palaces would make just as much an impression to the world if they were opened to the public, and not just "private" residence with maintenance funded by the tax payer.

VanGoghsDog Wed 27-Mar-19 09:16:22

Where would you find a property with a huge space for entertaining but no bedroms, Acis?? That's what these apartments have been designed for. They will be full of diplomats.
3. Agree with Queenunikitty. The UK can't hold post-Brexit talks in a Manhattan townhouse or a slum in the projects.

Rent a bloody office space, like every other organisation does?

Buster72 Wed 27-Mar-19 09:24:56

A 7 bed networking space? Hang on we are British we meet at the pub!
I reckon we would do far better and even turn a profit if we set up a British theme pub, with a room upstairs for the really big meetings, and invited the big wigs for a knees up.
Prince Andrew, who is a business envoy, could pull pints behind the bar....

Sfgb Wed 27-Mar-19 09:50:35

Educate yourself????......France, Germany and Italy do not have a NHS to fund - which is where I would have preferred this money to have been spent

LaurieMarlow Wed 27-Mar-19 10:02:54

international trade is something we once dominated, educate yourself.

I choked laughing at this.

Loads of countries ‘once’ dominated international trade. Greeks, Persians, Romans, Spanish, Turks, Portuguese. Luckily for them they’re not dumb enough to think you can just turn back the clock.

The world has changed. Just what do we have to offer right now to ‘dominate’ world trade? We don’t make much, don’t have an empire to plunder, so what’s our strategy?

Apart from the fancy apartment, which will obvs bring them all flocking to our door to sign deals hmm

GCAcademic Wed 27-Mar-19 10:17:51

Look at our selection of canapes and tremble at our might!

Lol! Though perhaps canapes and champagne are a bit too European for our post-EU reincarnation. How about sausage rolls and babycham? That will show them!

thedisorganisedmum Wed 27-Mar-19 10:18:43

Rent a bloody office space, like every other organisation does?

grin grin grin

yes, that's where most decisions are made, in a Regus-type meeeting room.

I love MN. grin

SpoonBlender Wed 27-Mar-19 10:31:57

We do already have an embassy in NY.

AnnaComnena Wed 27-Mar-19 10:41:23

Palaces would make just as much an impression to the world if they were opened to the public, and not just "private" residence with maintenance funded by the tax payer.

Windsor and Buckingham Palace are not private residences. They belong to the nation and are used for official business, state occasions, entertaining. The Queen probably wouldn't use BP if she didn't need a London base. They would have to be maintained whoever lived there, or didn't live there.

And parts of them are open to the public.

Balmoral and Sandringham are the Queen's private property and are paid for by her. Although she does do quite a lot of official entertaining at Balmoral.

downcasteyes Wed 27-Mar-19 10:51:28

Seems a bit steep.

thedisorganisedmum Wed 27-Mar-19 10:57:32

Windsor and Buckingham Palace are not private residences. They belong to the nation and are used for official business, state occasions, entertaining.

so they are funded by the tax payer, who is given the immense privilege of being allowed to pay for tickets to visit a few times a year grin

The whole think is a circus, and we sheep are happy to waste a fortune to entertain a royal family that some of us think are our better.

It would make absolutely no difference if the state was taking back its properties, and we got rid of the royal family. It would just be cheaper.

Basecamp65 Wed 27-Mar-19 10:58:54

I think some people are missing the point - Why should any nation have to spend tax payers money to impress other nations who are spending tax payers money to impress them.

Surely all the leaders in the world should just grow up and stop this farce.

If nations said - hey we are not wasting our citizens taxes on this crap but booking a room at the local hotel like everyone else does when they need a meeting this would soon stop it.

Its a bit like the emperors new clothes - someone has to stand up and say what a joke it is. Why cannot these meetings be held where everyone else holds a meeting - yes decisions can and are made just as well in Regus rented room as in a posh £16m room - its the believe that we have to play these stupid games that is the problem.

Many of the most important treaties have been signed in tents

bert3400 Wed 27-Mar-19 11:02:58

Bluerussian...damn predictive text, cause he's not really a cunt is he ?? 😂😂😂

Also why shouldn't I get angry that these privileged wankers are spending my hard earned taxes on a beautiful penthouse in NY ....it's obscene especially when so many ordinary people can't afford to fucking eat ...yes I'm fucking angry

Jaxhog Wed 27-Mar-19 11:05:03

That's fair enough when thier is a budget for essential and the country isn't on its knees. I wonder how many Tory ministers will get to use it for a nice little jolly. 7 bedrooms

Do you really think that 'poorer' nations don't have these pads too?! No nation thinks they're flush enough!! At least we have an NHS - most counties don't. Why single out Tory Ministers? Do you think the others won't use it too if they can?

Part of attracting investment to a country is being able to flash about like this. Unpleasant though it may be, it's actually a much smaller cost than losing said investment.

Jaxhog Wed 27-Mar-19 11:07:58

Surely all the leaders in the world should just grow up and stop this farce.

And pigs might fly, the sun go round the moon and all people have equal opportunity. Wake up please. The world isn't like this. Nor is it likely to change in our lifetime; much as we think it should.

Leafyhouse Wed 27-Mar-19 11:09:05

@LaurieMarlow The world has changed. Just what do we have to offer right now to ‘dominate’ world trade?

Well, the one thing we do really well is the much-maligned 'City'. And we are the world's best at that. The only other city that even comes close in terms of financial services is New York, funnily enough.

$15m is a drop in the ocean, money well worth spending. To put it in perspective, London trades on average $2.7trn per day in Foreign Exchange.

NWQM Wed 27-Mar-19 11:09:59

The British Consulate really doesn't look like it's shabby and the UN building itself has pretty impressive facilities. Would love to see the business case for this particular decision.

Ohmygoodness101 Wed 27-Mar-19 11:10:04

I’m in Ireland and read an article. Ireland are currently consolidating consulates / development agencies looking for foreign development investment under one roof. This consolidation is currently being done by many nations but the UK seems behind the curve on this one

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking Wed 27-Mar-19 11:13:22

I cant get hysterical about a property investment on behalf of the government. Do you expect peopel to rent a marquee on sidewalk or something?

15 million is fuck all, it's not even a handful of peanuts.

Treaclesweet Wed 27-Mar-19 11:13:37

Yes @BaseCamp65 exactly this!

It is barely disguised plutocracy.

LaurieMarlow Wed 27-Mar-19 11:14:07

Well, the one thing we do really well is the much-maligned 'City'. And we are the world's best at that. The only other city that even comes close in terms of financial services is New York, funnily enough.

And one of the most important reasons why that’s so successful is because we’re in the EU and have passporting rights. Once we lose this we will no longer be of any use to US/Asian firms who use us as their European base. Naturally we won’t be too desirable to EU firms either.

Honestly I feel like banging my head on my desk at how god damn ignorant some leavers views are. You’re right, financial services were a huge asset. We’re about to piss it all away.

AnnaComnena Wed 27-Mar-19 11:17:40

It would make absolutely no difference if the state was taking back its properties, and we got rid of the royal family. It would just be cheaper.

The state can't 'take back' what it already owns. And it wouldn't be cheaper. The maintenance costs would be the same.

What would increase costs significantly would be to open more of them to the public. Cost of necessary H&S work, making areas accessible, staffing, security - and the unavoidable fact that increased numbers of visitors ends up causing damage to what they've come to see.The ultimate examples are the pyramids and Stonehenge, which no-one can now visit. But the custodian of quite a small country house once told me that their quite modest numbers of visitors cause significant amounts of wear and tear.

GirlcalledJack Wed 27-Mar-19 11:19:00

So why couldn’t one of our National Trust properties be used for this smooching of other diplomats?

Why could we not use an already existing building?

It seems a convenient excuse that this hugely expensive and lavish property is essential for building relations with other top brass.

thedisorganisedmum Wed 27-Mar-19 11:25:27

oh please do not tell me that we keep the royal family to make savings in the budget!

If the state really does own them, but they are kept nearly exclusively for the enjoyment of one or 2 people, that's really something! (and you are right, that's exactly what it is . they are not private to ensure the tax payer finance the upkeep!)

You do realise the security already exist for the sake of that one family, so we could use the fundings for that and transfer it to the security of the actual building. (not the actual personnel, just the funding).
The increase number of visitors would pay for tickets too, or make copies of the most valuable objects and keep the original safe. At least someone else than a private family could see them.
The French manage with Versailles, the German with Neuschwanstein and so on.

However things are organised, we don't need the royal family any more.
UK nationals would argue just the same about Brexit without them....

Acis Wed 27-Mar-19 11:30:21

Where would you find a property with a huge space for entertaining but no bedroms, Acis??

In the rather large embassy and consulate buildings that we already own?

Billben Wed 27-Mar-19 12:00:17

It was by having an empire, not by schmoozing people and getting on our knees in front of US medical companies and their industrial farming lobby. Neither are anything to be proud of.

How did we get that empire? By colonising everything and exploiting it. Neither are anything to be proud of.

GCAcademic Wed 27-Mar-19 12:16:10

Billben - er, that was my point?

StormTreader Wed 27-Mar-19 12:21:14

"Annual budget NHS 127.7 billion
So the cost is about 1 ten billionth of a percent of the NHS budget for 1 year. Not really going to make a difference. Numerical illiteracy is a real problem."

How many nurses salaries would it pay for for 5 or 10 years? How much medicine? The real issue is the attitude of "when I'm already in so much debt, buying booze and a takeaway every night won't make any difference" when in fact the ONLY way to address financial shortfalls is to look at where any savings at all can be made.

Do you think this is the only time the government has spaffed this kind of money on themselves? Would all those bits and pieces add up to a large chunk of money that could be used where its really needed, do you think?

Billben Wed 27-Mar-19 12:31:53

GCAcademic

Oh gosh, yes it was 😀 Just re-read your post. Apologies 👍

GCAcademic Wed 27-Mar-19 12:35:45

No worries grin

ShowMeTheKittens Wed 27-Mar-19 12:36:39

Can't believe people are sticking up for Jez Cunt. It's like they want to cut their own throats. He's a bstaad.
There are plenty of spaces that can be rented. It's for his private and no private fuckery.
Do you not know what politicians get up to?
It's enough in the news.

RomanyQueen1 Wed 27-Mar-19 12:36:47

Are people really surprised, I'm sure people live on a different planet.
It's what governments do, especially the Cons.
They are in it for themselves, they do not represent us, no matter how many times you want to kid yourselves.

Clavinova Wed 27-Mar-19 12:56:38

Key headline figures from UK trade and investment in 2018

•£114bn – The US remained the UK's top single export destination, with exports increasing to £114bn in the year to 2018 Q3.

Dec 2018 Report - Foreign investment in UK

The US was the UK’s largest investor, according to the ONS statistics - with the amount of investment coming from the US increasing by 19.5% to £351bn.

CatWithKittens Wed 27-Mar-19 12:56:45

Is Mumsnet really getting to state of so much of the rest of social media that people are unable to debate without personal abuse, obscenity and accusations of bad faith? This thread, like so many others where politics, faith or the Royal Family is mentioned, is short on fact or reasoned argument but full of a type of abuse which denies tolerance and would probably deny free speech itself given half a chance.

thedisorganisedmum Wed 27-Mar-19 12:57:35

They are in it for themselves, they do not represent us, no matter how many times you want to kid yourselves.

you do realise that it has nothing to do with one political party, not sure you think the Cons are worst there.

samsamsamsamsamsam Wed 27-Mar-19 13:00:52

I think it's fine. More economical than renting. Will be used for multiple purposes.

just think of it as an asset. It will maintain but more likely increase its value.

Yabbers Wed 27-Mar-19 21:28:17

Can't believe people are sticking up for Jez
It is possible to see the sense in making a business decision which saves money in the long term without “sticking up for” the person who happened to be the one overseeing that particular decision.

SoloD Thu 28-Mar-19 07:34:13

@Evilspiritgin

The reason the US healthcare is used as an example so often is that it is very very expensive (US pays around 17% of it's GDP in healthcare costs, compared to UK 9% or France 11%) while by many measures (life expectant, infant mortality etc) they receive worse healthcare.

Worse the money motivation for healthcare professionals suggests that patients are put at risk, just look at the opioid epidemic in the US, where pharmaceutical companies lobbied the Food and Drug Administration to allow their highly addictive powerful morphine based pain killers.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(18)30167-6/fulltext

SoloD Thu 28-Mar-19 07:37:06

That's before you look at the stories about HMOs and people bankrupted by falling ill.

US healthcare is so expensive that the average birth in the US costs more than giving birth in the Lindo wing.
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/04/23/a-typical-american-birth-costs-as-much-as-delivering-a-royal-baby

We really don't want to go down the US healthcare route.

maddening Thu 28-Mar-19 07:41:13

I am sure that renting out big corporate spaces on an event by event basis would cost less.

MuseumofInnocence Thu 28-Mar-19 08:00:31

I know a little about the world of Diplomacy, and I'm aware that the UK has a whole range of properties around the world to entertain guests an dignitaries. I'm afraid it's part of how the world works. If you meet a UK ambassador anywhere, they're likely to have somewhere nice to live. There is a need to entertain people in the evening. New York is an expensive city, and while I haven't seen the business case, it doesn't seem entirely illogical

Unfinishedkitchen Thu 28-Mar-19 08:04:41

Well they somewhere to snooze and sign contracts with American private healthcare companies post Brexit.

cantonwanton Thu 28-Mar-19 08:15:25

Perhaps we ought to look at previous Governments who have sold off many foreign properties for a quick buck to fill the deficit and proclaim economic success..?

BunsyGirl Thu 28-Mar-19 19:09:07

The lease of the current US embassy in London was reported to have cost £500 million! You might want to have a walk around Mayfair and surrounding areas of London and have a peak at the foreign embassies. £12 million is peanuts compared to the value of some of them!

Aria999 Thu 28-Mar-19 19:57:22

There are seven rooms because a minister doesn’t just hop on the plane with their carry-on backpack by themselves. Not right now maybe but the way things are going they might need to start...

Bunnyfuller Thu 28-Mar-19 20:18:40

Whitehall or Westminster for meetings. We are falling the fuck over ourselves with impressive locations. They’ve always been there.

This is a jolly flat.

Nurseornot Thu 28-Mar-19 20:42:44

US healthcare companies and lobbyists are vultures. I'm sure they have a spare office building or two to host politicians in while they dish out bribes and draw up contracts in their favour, because we all know what's really going to happen. 🤪

moon2 Fri 29-Mar-19 08:46:29

If you look at the cost of buildings and lodgings near Westminster in the Americans Ambassadors mansion with huge grounds in Regents Park it is most probably a drop in the ocean in comparison. One might even ask the same question, why does he and his family need a house with so many rooms? Having been there I would say anything elsejust won’t cut the mustard and one would be the laughing stock of the world attempting to hold events and parties in anything else. I think people need to work up and realise the Middle East, Far East and China capitals are light years ahead and if you’re in any doubt a tour of the world would soon enlighten. I’m not saying that it’s nice to hear of such spending but Joe public as we are it is what it is.
To add these rooms are for family, staff, aides and space for entertaining visitors and parties and important meetings. The days are filled with work and schmoozing.

moon2 Fri 29-Mar-19 08:47:36

Too early in the morning for all these typos

cantonwanton Fri 29-Mar-19 10:00:08

I agree with you moon2. I think people fail to understand that the world is globalised these days. They need to get out and see the world. Far too many people live their whole lives in their small post industrial town and don't realise for the UK to continue with the level of wealth we're at or improve we need to look outside.

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