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If you are a Labour member please get rid of JC

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Unfinishedkitchen Thu 21-Mar-19 07:09:09

He needs to be gone. We need an effective opposition as TMs speech last night showed she is a wannabe dictator. Only card carrying members can get him out.

TeddyIsaHe Thu 21-Mar-19 07:26:32

I’m a member and I completely agree. I was SO hopeful and excited when he first got in. His ideals line a lot closer with mine compared to past Labour leaders, but I can’t support him anymore.

I WANT Labour to get back in! Desperately and we can’t do it with him at the helm. What a waste. Labour should be strides ahead in the polls and we’re still lagging behind, even with all the appalling things the tories have done. Ridiculous.

PinkPupZ Thu 21-Mar-19 07:57:44

No

Girlsnightin Thu 21-Mar-19 08:05:56

I'm more than happy that he's in and staying in. But only due to the fact he is effectivley blocking Labour from ever winning an election. I cant beleive he was every voted in the first place, what you are seeing now OP was blatently obvious from the start. The only thing that will get a win for Labour is if they bring in another faux conservative aka Tony Blair type. That will swing the existing cons over like it did in 97. It's unbelievable that no one in the Labour party has realised that yet.

Parker231 Thu 21-Mar-19 08:08:05

He’s a child - throws his toys out of his pram when he doesn’t get his way. He’s had a charmed political life - never had to make decisions about anything!

Unfinishedkitchen Thu 21-Mar-19 08:08:48

Even if you’re a Tory, surely you’d want an effective opposition to provide challenge to ‘out there’ ideas? One party states are for countries like North Korea and Russia. Not the UK.

Stompythedinosaur Thu 21-Mar-19 08:12:08

No, I like him.

pootyisabadcat Thu 21-Mar-19 08:13:04

He's fucking dire.

ghostyslovesheets Thu 21-Mar-19 08:14:34

Member for 34 years and wish we could - he’s a liability- fed up of the anti feminist stance

Treaclesweet Thu 21-Mar-19 08:50:16

Nope. Despite horrendous establishment smears he is the best chance we have if we don't wish our country to be led by financiers against our best interest.

ghostyslovesheets Thu 21-Mar-19 08:52:39

Polls would disagree ‘he’s the best chance we have’ disastrous divided Tory party still in the lead

megletthesecond Thu 21-Mar-19 08:54:42

I wish it was that easy. He's a liability.

TheQueef Thu 21-Mar-19 08:56:42

And replace him with who?

WhiskersPete Thu 21-Mar-19 08:58:45

No! JC for PM!

LeesPostersAreInFrames Thu 21-Mar-19 09:02:25

I had such high hopes for him.

My last dregs of respect for him went last night. Not attending an emergency meeting of opposition leaders as the leader of the main opposition party when the country is in a state of emergency is, just....

Part of the reason we are in such a shit position is that he has been such a lame duck in opposition.

Parker231 Thu 21-Mar-19 09:15:57

@TheQueef. Kier Starmer?

megletthesecond Thu 21-Mar-19 09:18:14

Cooper.

SerenDippitty Thu 21-Mar-19 09:32:17

Keir Starmer.

harrietpn Thu 21-Mar-19 09:37:16

He's a child, last night is total proof of this. I honestly don't believe brexit would be such a total mess if we had an effective opposition...

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 09:44:20

Cooper.

I will never vote Labour with him as leader. I will not take responsibility for this leading to Tory Governments. Labour knows what it must do. I would vote Labour again if he and Macdonald and similar twats were back on the backbencher where they belong.

LuLuReed Thu 21-Mar-19 11:11:26

This seems, like a lot of these posts to be Concern Trolling.

I wish to state I am neither a Labour or Conservative voter.

JC while no where near flawless, seems to me to be one of the more principled Labour leaders of the last 20 years.

He's such a threat, that all sides are trying to tear him down.

Whichever issue he supports he's attacked for not supporting the opposite. I feel other politicians aren't being held to the same level.

Some of Labour seem determined to return to bland Blairite, Conservative light politics.

The point of opposition is to provide an opposition.

I believe most of the stories regarding him are efforts by other parties and those in his party who wish to claim the leadership.

Every day while the Conservatives carry on with their shambolic self caused Brexit mess, there seems to be a fluff piece on how JC is this or that.

These stories are meant to distract and keep JC's profile damaged. They would have you believe he's awful and unfortunately, people believe the newspapers, believe the power grabbers in his party and believe the online concern trolls.

I see little evidence of true Labour values left in the Labour party. Since 1997 they have been little more than Conservative-Lite and how is that an alternative.

As this country so sadly drifts to the right, you have the working class voting Conservatives and the newspapers deciding elections.

Who would you have replace him?

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit Thu 21-Mar-19 11:13:23

I would also love for Yvonne Cooper to replace him.

WTFIsAGleepglorp Thu 21-Mar-19 11:21:45

I'm sorry, throwing his toys out of the pram and walking out of a meeting, because Chuka Umunna is there is just childish.

He has failed to give a coherent policy stance on Brexit, other than 'not what the Conservatives are doing' and hasn't exactly covered himself with glory regarding Women, Jews, dissent, terrorist links and budget.

Ordering Labour MPs to abstain in order to vote against calling a second referendum. FFS.

LuLuReed Thu 21-Mar-19 11:38:31

@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit - While I like some of Yvonne Cooper's opinions on issues, she's is another pro-brexit, pro iraw war polictian, exactly what Corbyn was so derided for.

@WTFIsAGleepglorp - While refusing to participate was maybe poor form, the break away group are clearly being funded by several private groups. They are less a political group, rather lobbyist attempting to take the Labour vote and maintain the very dull Status Quo in British politics.

JC while very flawed and I admit that, is proof, you shouldn't rock the boat and attempt to do something different in British Politics.

TattiePants Thu 21-Mar-19 11:45:12

I am so fed up with JC and his ineffectual opposition that I was planning on canceling my Labour party membership. The only reason I'm holding on to it (for now) is so I would get a vote on a new leader.

Tomtontom Thu 21-Mar-19 11:46:00

If you want change, make it happen. Join a party and campaign for the change you want.

If you can't be bothered, want to leave it up to other people, then you can't moan when things don't go your way. You might want to criticise the current leadership, but it's hypocritical when you're doing sod about it yourself.

Take some responsibility. It's the only way things will change in a way you want them to.

TattiePants Thu 21-Mar-19 11:46:14

I'd also be happy with either Kier Starmer or Yvette Cooper.

Milicentbystander72 Thu 21-Mar-19 11:49:42

I'm not a Labour member but gave voted Labour in the past.

I would vote for Yvette Cooper or Tom Watson most definitely.

Milicentbystander72 Thu 21-Mar-19 11:51:41

It's not JC I'm not keen on, it's the entire front bench (apart from Watson).

Uptheduffagai Thu 21-Mar-19 11:54:13

No I love JC. He can’t do anything right in people’s eyes is the problem. People are more concerned about someone walking out of a meeting on their principles than a PM and party leaving most of the country in poverty and relying on food banks.

Seniorschoolmum Thu 21-Mar-19 12:07:14

Please choose someone who’s not still reading his student manifestos from the 60s.
We need someone modern.

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 12:12:29

@Uptheduffagai - No Deal Brexit will fuck everyone over and have more people relying on food banks ffs.

Uptheduffagai Thu 21-Mar-19 12:20:45

@bellinisurge Corbyn doesn’t decide or negotiate the Brexit deal though?

NameChangeNugget Thu 21-Mar-19 12:24:00

Jeremy Corbyn is brilliant

ChardonnaysPrettySister Thu 21-Mar-19 12:26:47

Corbyn doesn’t decide or negotiate the Brexit deal though?

Not directly, no.

But a parliamentary democracy can only be as strong as the weakest part, and the opposition is a vital to a strong democracy.

A weak opposition corrupts the governing party.

In this case they both resemble tantruming toddlers and as a result we all will be fucked.

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 12:41:49

@Uptheduffagai , but Corbyn can do what is necessary to make sure we avoid No Deal. He isn't showing that at all. In fact he is acting like someone who welcomes no Deal in the hope of emerging victorious from the chaos. No different to Rees-Mogg.

Uptheduffagai Thu 21-Mar-19 14:03:58

Just a prime example of what I’m saying really. He’s even being blamed for a no deal Brexit on the basis that he is ‘weak’ well if everyone keeps making out he’s this useless weak politician that just continues to fuel the fire surely? He campaigned for remain, he’s pushed for a labour deals with the EU and negotiated with them. Leavers complain if he looks to be supporting remain, remainers complain because article 50 isn’t being revoked. Obviously with a country split there is always a way to make him seem ‘weak’.

Can we please also remember that of the 2 main parties; 1 of them only thinks in Brexit terms the other 1 is also trying to save the NHS, combat homelessness, save the education system, hold ALL Mps to account, tackle tax avoidance and recoup monies owed to the treasury, ensure the most vulnerable in society are cared for, that pensioners are paid their dues instead of both being driven to early death with universal credit sanctions. I know who I'm voting for whether we stay in or out.

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 14:07:14

He didn't campaign for Remain. He just didn't campaign for Leave.
If he'd had any belief in Remain he would have shared a platform with DC and said "this bloke is a fucking twat [more politely] but I am so committed to Remain that I will stand next to him and campaign for it ".

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 14:08:49

And no, he isn't To Blame for Brexit but he's on my list of who is to blame. Lower down the list than Cameron but he's there.

Tavannach Thu 21-Mar-19 14:29:59

He needs to be gone. Jump or push, who cares.This shit show wouldn't be happening if Yvette Cooper or Keir Starter was leader.

It's worth remembering that the Daily Telegraph encouraged its readers to pay the £3 to register as supporters of the Labour Party so that they could vote for Corbyn in a piece entitled 'How You Can Help Jeremy Corbyn Win - And Destroy The Labour Party'.
Telegraph
But Jezza appears to believe that the cloth capped working men of yore voted him in. He also seems to think that these are the people who voted for Brexit. Imo much more likely to have been White Van Man and 'the casuals', the football hooligans who are also vocal supporters of England with 'No Surrender' and who are natural Tory voters.
Our political system is set up in such a way that it cannot function properly without an effective Leader of the Opposition.
so, Go Jeremy, Go.

SeaWitchly Thu 21-Mar-19 15:04:12

No can do OP, sorry.
I am a card-carrying member of Labour because of of Jeremy Corbyn.
I don't want to see him replaced and would be very happy to see him and his socialist values in Number 10,

Tavannach Thu 21-Mar-19 15:30:17

It's delusional to think that Labour can win an election with Corbyn at the helm.

Tootyfilou Thu 21-Mar-19 15:31:01

No.

AstonishedFemalePersonator Thu 21-Mar-19 15:33:47

The only reason to keep JC is that he is preventing Labour from being elected.

And I say that as someone who loathes the Tories.

Fazackerley Thu 21-Mar-19 15:39:41

God please not keir starmer

I remember when JC became leader of the Labour party, a friend if mine said he was a Tory plant to make sure Labour never got into power.

It seemed like a ridiculous idea at the time...

Numptysod Thu 21-Mar-19 16:25:39

Big issue is the garden tax - I got big garden tiny house, I be beyond poor! Ridiculous

Fazackerley Thu 21-Mar-19 16:27:32

Garden tax purely to punish people for living rurally and not being part of the metropolitan Labour voting class. Absurd.

kbPOW Thu 21-Mar-19 16:29:25

This government is the biggest shitshow ever and all you can talk about is getting rid of Jeremy Corbyn. What's wrong with you?

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 16:32:21

It's not "all I can talk about ". But I would like an Opposition leader that I can look to. For leadership.
He's just like every twatty ineffectual gobshite I went to University with in the 1980s.

MissKenton Thu 21-Mar-19 16:34:41

He’s a fucking disgrace and God help us all if one day he becomes PM

RedHelenB Thu 21-Mar-19 16:38:51

How about if you are a Labour member you decide what to do. OP YABU.

Pk37 Thu 21-Mar-19 16:40:02

YANBU

Tavannach Thu 21-Mar-19 16:40:32

By failing to properly fulfill his (very well-paid) role as Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition, Corbyn is enabling the shitshow and is as guilty of gross incompetence as the Tories are.

WineCheeseSleep Thu 21-Mar-19 16:40:36

I wish I knew how! Yvette Cooper is providing better opposition from the back benches than he is.

Asthenia Thu 21-Mar-19 16:48:12

Nope. He’s a breath of fresh air. He has integrity and I like him.

LeesPostersAreInFrames Thu 21-Mar-19 16:48:23

I believe most of the stories regarding him are efforts by other parties and those in his party who wish to claim the leadership.

I'd agree with you, were it not for seeing his ineptitude and damaging behaviour with my own eyes. Walking away from CRISIS talks because somebody you don't approve of is invited, when the talks are so very desperately needed is INSANE behaviour.

HangingOnForWhy Thu 21-Mar-19 16:50:07

Long term member here and he's awful, awful, awful. Too sympathetic to those with anti-democratic values on the extreme left. No evidence of reading about, thinking about or interest in policy design. Unable to hold the coalition of democratic socialists and social democrats together. Too tolerant of bullying and worse on the basis that his friends must be good people by definition.

I'm staying in for the next leadership election. He will move on eventually. He is clearly tired.

The party used to be made up of socially-concerned joiners. Now the membership is generally retired and with a very 1968 mindset, often ex-SWP/Green or otherwise inclined to direct action politics. They show little attunement to society as it really is or awareness of new social challenges. They don't get far past war being bad and nationalisation good.

Both main parties are in a terrible state and the country is suffering for it.

Tavannach Thu 21-Mar-19 16:51:12

He has integrity

No, he really doesn't.
He can be vocal in his support of unpopular issues. That's not integrity. It's stupidity.

Tavannach Thu 21-Mar-19 16:53:36

Walking away from CRISIS talks because somebody you don't approve of is invited, when the talks are so very desperately needed is INSANE behaviour.

°This.

TeamLannister Thu 21-Mar-19 17:35:45

No, I fully support him. He does have integrity. But hey, why have a man of principles when you can have austerity pushing, tax dodging, war mongers instead.

AstonishedFemalePersonator Thu 21-Mar-19 17:38:20

No, he really doesn't.

Agreed.

Poloshot Thu 21-Mar-19 17:42:57

No leave him where he is, he's fantastic to have as Labour leader as they remain unelectable.

TheGirlWithTheArabStrap Thu 21-Mar-19 17:44:51

I'm a member of the Labour party and I'm very pleased that JC is leader. After many years the Labour party is moving towards the values it was founded on.

deathbycats Thu 21-Mar-19 17:47:00

I’m a member and I think he’s a liability. I’d far rather Yvette Cooper was leader. Or Keri Starmer.

lyralalala Thu 21-Mar-19 19:44:43

I'm so annoyed with him today. It's very clear that one of the reasons TIG were invited was to try provoke a reaction from him.

Instead of him being able to say today "the meeting was pointless" as the other groups are saying, and the media focus being on the speech from TM last night it's about him and what is being portrayed as a childish strop.

When someone lays a trap for you the best thing to do is to avoid walking into it. Face of the matter is CU is the defacto leader of a group of 11 MPs at the moment, that's 1 more than the DUP which is very clearly why the SNP, Plaid etc were happy for him to be there as every vote is crucial atm.

Parker231 Fri 22-Mar-19 08:52:08

When there is another General Election I’m sure the Labour Party will replace him as they won’t get anywhere with the prospect of him as Prime Minister.

Stripyhoglets Fri 22-Mar-19 09:13:54

We've tried and failed - the LP will need to lose another election before they even consider it and the momentum lot have taken over party leadership so will probably just get another similar leader anyway. I'm staying in to try and vote in an electable leader when i get the chance - but if it's another Corbyn type I'm giving up and leaving then.
I think he's a horrible person too - just not interested in compromise with anyone.

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