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To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

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Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 06:34:29

Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

MiniMaxi Thu 21-Mar-19 06:38:58

I wish for the same but I don't think it's going to happen unfortunately

Despite MPs voting to avoid no deal, and voting for an extension, she's basically ignoring them as she surely must know her deal won't go through.

Disgusting to allow it to go to the wire, to save her skin for what - another week?

Sigh.

Bluntness100 Thu 21-Mar-19 06:43:53

No I don't think that's the case I think next week MPs will reject her deal again, she will resign, and the Eu will grant us a lengthy extension as we go through a leadership contest then try to renegotiate it.

I don't think we have the majority appetite for revoke in thr house and it would only be a last minute requirement if it happened and we were about to crash out, but that's unlikely.

More likely her deal will be rejected, she will resign, a lengthy extension will be granted on thr 28th or 29th and it will be leadership contest time.

Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 06:46:09

But any lengthy extension would require us to take part in the EU elections in May, which will go down like a cup of cold sick on all sides.

bumbleymummy Thu 21-Mar-19 06:47:38

Yanbu.

RJnomore1 Thu 21-Mar-19 06:49:00

I honestly can’t see any other way out of this mess but maybe that’s just me being my usual optimistic self and thinking it will all be ok.

We must be a complete laughing stock and I’m posdibly the only person left in the uk not blaming the PM as I still don’t see anyone else stepping up with any ideas.

HelloJackieYouLookNice Thu 21-Mar-19 06:51:06

RJ plenty of people have suggested a cross party consensus to see what parliament could potentially agree to and as usual Theresa May has decided she knows better. She certainly doesn’t speak for me angry

Kittykatmacbill Thu 21-Mar-19 06:52:42

Lets hope so.

But all those billionaires won’t want their tax dealing looked at.

StealthPolarBear Thu 21-Mar-19 06:54:15

I think the wa will go through. Third time "lucky".

GottaGetUp Thu 21-Mar-19 06:54:22

Revoke petition

Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 06:54:24

Quite right jackie this whole mess has been created by TM deciding when to invoke A50, deciding what the red lines were and then running down the clock in an attempt to force her rubbish deal through.

bellinisurge Thu 21-Mar-19 06:54:36

There are two other viable options- no Deal (god forbid we would be so stupid) and WA. Neither is off the table.

Boom76 Thu 21-Mar-19 06:54:49

Jeremy Corbyn walked out of a cross party meeting because he took the huff as Chuku Umunna was there so that hasn’t worked

Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 06:56:23

I think the wa will go through. Third time "lucky".

If you were an MP who’s vote need to change to get this through stealth how would you justify your change in vote, especially after last nights performance?

Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 06:59:00

There are two other viable options- no Deal (god forbid we would be so stupid) and WA. Neither is off the table.

For the reasons outlined in my OP, I think they are off the table in reality.

StealthPolarBear Thu 21-Mar-19 06:59:15

I'm the same way as the third vote is justified, however that is. Weasel words suggesting there has been a significant change

Bearbehind Thu 21-Mar-19 07:01:37

Exactly - nothing has actually changed so how could anyone justify changing their vote?

madeyemoodysmum Thu 21-Mar-19 07:03:41

My predicted outcome is.
Deal will be rejected
TM
Will resign or be pushed out
jRM will step in. Hard brexit

I blame Jezza and every single MP more than I blame TM tbh. No one has been working for the country since 2016!!!

Jezza basically finished himself yesterday after that performance. He wasn’t popular before. Now he has No chance at winning an election. Labour need to get rid.

KrazyKatlady Thu 21-Mar-19 07:05:16

If she resigned or there was a leadership contest....who would actually want to take over in the position we're currently in...? I've a horrible feeling it could be JRM 😱😱😱 (not to say i think TM is doing a good job but not sure what the alternatives are?)

Bluntness100 Thu 21-Mar-19 07:07:12

But any lengthy extension would require us to take part in the EU elections in May, which will go down like a cup of cold sick on all sides.

Sure, but every single option goes down like a cup of cold sick. And to be fair Teresa May didn't unilaterally decide to invoke article fifty, she put it to thr vote and got overwhelming support from thr house to do so.

As much as I think she's made mistakes, and hindsight is twenty twenty, i do think there is culpability all round, the MPs, David Cameron, and even the British public.

Bluntness100 Thu 21-Mar-19 07:10:00

i Think there are too many retainers in the Tory party to get a hard line Brexiteer in power. But it's irrelevant, any prime minister still needs to go via the house and they will reject no deal again and again. We live in a democracy and no prime minister has the authority to unilaterally act without thr backing of the house.

Holidayshopping Thu 21-Mar-19 07:11:28

Would enough MPs vote for JRM??

CuriousaboutSamphire Thu 21-Mar-19 07:11:35

As moodysmum said.

Bring on a general electio and then every voter can look at what their local MP has done over the last 2 years and vote accordingly.

Mine is usually a tad useless but has been acting in accordance with his constituents wishes. One close MP has not... they will be nseated att he next election, there are moves to do so now but the local party are playing a waiting game.

However you voted this is not what anyone should accept from paid public servants. They have deliberately faddled around the edges, focussed on details without thought for the larger picture, or only looked at the larger pictre and forgotten to fix the details.

At least we know that the civil service have been getting on and doing 'mini deals' ...

Basically our politicians are fiddling whilst the UK is burning!

As for Jezza, I have no fucking idea what he thought he was doing yesterday! I'd say political suicide, but he seems to be immune to shame, self doubt and common sense.

Bollox2019 Thu 21-Mar-19 07:11:55

Bear - or anyone- could someone maybe start a thread on AIBU and Chat, specifically asking MN users to sign the petition? I’m not sure how to link on my phone? It’s already going up hundreds every minute and heading for 500,000.

BiscuitDrama Thu 21-Mar-19 07:12:08

On that subject, I presume you’ve seen this petition? It’s at 400k so might be worth a sign.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

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