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Is this a bra or a crop top???

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TheMuminator2 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:09:31

Can't decide. Looks like a bra but passes for a crop top as it is en vogue.

Thomas Cook have since apologized to the girl saying they could have handled things better.
Woukd you be offended?

MoeAnna Fri 15-Mar-19 12:10:27

It's a bra. Fine for beach not for travelling.

TrixieFranklin Fri 15-Mar-19 12:11:30

It's a Bralette

TheMuminator2 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:12:54

I feel if it had a bit more material then it would be fine. Yup for beach ok but on a plane....

baubled Fri 15-Mar-19 12:12:58

I've seen more flesh from women wearing a regular vest!

She doesn't look indecent in the slightest, would it be offensive if she had small denim shorts and a slightly longer top? I doubt it and she would be showing much more in that instance.

Aridane Fri 15-Mar-19 12:13:08

Purse it’s enraged.

If it’s a crop top then my baggy jumper I’m wearing is a burqa

Aridane Fri 15-Mar-19 12:14:01

Eh??? Of course it’s a bra - not Purse it’s enraged FFS

BloodyBosch Fri 15-Mar-19 12:15:27

She was so 'distressed' she wore the same outfit on the return flight...
It looks like beachwear/ clubbing / underwear really. Odd choice for a flight.

southnownorth Fri 15-Mar-19 12:16:42

It's a bralette top. My dd wears them all the time.

Ironfloor269 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:17:23

It's a bra.

GruciusMalfoy Fri 15-Mar-19 12:20:04

It looks like a bra to me, I think a crop top would usually be more covered up around the cleavage, underarms and back.

Cheby Fri 15-Mar-19 12:20:15

Doesn’t matter what it was. She wasn’t indecent. She was covered. She’s right, policing her clothes like that is outright misogyny.

Disfordarkchocolate Fri 15-Mar-19 12:22:05

No matter what it is she didn't deserve to be pawed at the woman sat next to her.

ScreamingValenta Fri 15-Mar-19 12:23:01

I agree with Cheby, it doesn't matter what the garment was called. She wasn't indecent and should have been left alone.

DailyMailFuckRightOff Fri 15-Mar-19 12:24:07

Can we call it a Brop Top?

Seriously though, it doesn’t matter what name we give to it.

JellycatElfie Fri 15-Mar-19 12:27:11

It’s a bralette - I bet she was bloody freezing on the plane!

flowersinaugust Fri 15-Mar-19 12:29:57

I'd say crop top. I could see it being a bralet but definitely not a bra. I wouldn't think twice if someone wore what she did especially as thats the fashion now

Schuyler Fri 15-Mar-19 12:30:55

It’s a bralette and I can’t see what’s offensive and inappropriate about her atire for a plane journey.

GruciusMalfoy Fri 15-Mar-19 12:30:55

I was uncomfortable with the way the woman next to her attempted to turn her around. That isn't on.

bobstersmum Fri 15-Mar-19 12:34:17

It looks like a bra to me. She said she was really hot I can't see how she was? I do think she came across as a bit attention seeking. But it wouldn't have offended me. Now if I'd have worn that with my big jugs it would definitely look quite raunchy and inappropriate!

Pinkbells Fri 15-Mar-19 12:36:51

It looks exactly like a bra. I would find it a bit odd to see someone wearing it on a plane but then again it's their body - their choice, I certainly wouldn't complain.

FurrySlipperBoots Fri 15-Mar-19 12:37:03

I reckon it looks more like a bra than anything else. I don't think it was appropriate.

Awwlookatmybabyspider Fri 15-Mar-19 12:37:17

I don't know and TBPH I don't care. What has peeved me off though is group of 'men' ganging up on a 21 year old. Yet there was also a bloke in a vest top shorts funnily enough though nothing was said to him. That's big 'ard blokes for you, though.

NannyRed Fri 15-Mar-19 12:38:00

It’s a bra.

Why is someone who wears underwear as outerwear surprised when she gets attention?

Maybe she was disappointed that the attention she received was not the attention she craved.

SileneOliveira Fri 15-Mar-19 12:38:01

It's a bra.

It's the essential fashion item for the fame hungry wannabe who wants to get her face in the papers and a slot on the next trashy TV reality show.

QueenoftheBiscuitTin Fri 15-Mar-19 12:38:22

It's a bralette. I think everyone involved is making a massive deal out of nothing.

geekone Fri 15-Mar-19 12:38:28

Seems a bit chilly for a plane journey but other than that what she was wearing affects no one and should not be an issue.

Many travel companies do have guidelines I have been on flights (in the queue for flights) where women have put on leggings or tracksuit bottoms over their very short shorts (not judging I would wear them too if I could 😂) or they would not be able to travel. It does state it in many guidelines, theoretically it’s the same for men.

I think a peephole bikini or a mankini would probably be inappropriate travelling wear but not a crop top or little shorts unless there really is a health and safety reason.

rainingonmyfireworks Fri 15-Mar-19 12:38:34

def bra, more attention seeking for social media and the sun carried the story, now there's a surprise.

skybluee Fri 15-Mar-19 12:41:08

Shorts are OK to wear on a plane.
Vest tops are fine as long as they are continuous non-transparent material (i.e. not see through or string vests). To me it looks like underwear. I have a few bras from urban outfitters and some of them are pretty much indistinguishable from that one. If that's OK, then surely it's OK to get on a plane in a bra and jeans?

I don't think it's OK.

I mean how is that not a bra!?

TheMuminator2 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:41:27

The health and safety reason being she feared she would overheat and die lol She has a book about going viral on her twitter....hmmm

TheMuminator2 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:42:35

I think if the straps were thicker and the material without holes then people would be more accepting

BarbaraofSevillle Fri 15-Mar-19 12:42:40

I bet she was bloody freezing on the plane

Or maybe not. I usually travel on other airlines, simply because they're more likely to be going where I want to go, and am always freezing, but just last week I went on a rare Thomas Cook flight and it was absolutely bloody boiling. I took my hoodie off and sat there in a t shirt, which is unheard of.

I wouldn't be offended at that outfit and logically I can't see how it differs significantly from a vest that would probably only cover up slightly more of her.

TheMuminator2 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:43:09

ALso I am seeing a gold top? anyone else or do you see black? blue? yellow? pink???

19lottie82 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:44:02

Would be people be ok if a man was sitting next to your in just boxers on his lower half?

skybluee Fri 15-Mar-19 12:44:15

Also if it was a crop top - would it be OK for me to wear a nike crop top and jeans onto the plane? The issue for me is stomach uncovered. There has to be a line somewhere, we can't police sleeves and straps and I wouldn't want to... I do think vest tops are100% fine unless see through... but as far as people having their stomach out... it's a plane, have a little bit of courtesy to your fellow passengers... we're not at the resort, it's essentially a packed mode of transport.

Pewdie Fri 15-Mar-19 12:44:15

Do we live in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan?

ketchupormayo Fri 15-Mar-19 12:44:48

Don't see the problem at all!

Megan2018 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:45:31

It's a bra and the girl is a an attention seeking idiot. Her parents must be so proud.

Hopefully it will come back to bite her at job interviews for the foreseeable - internet fame has it's consequences!

SerenDippitty Fri 15-Mar-19 12:46:00

It looks like a bra to me. Wasn't she cold?

skybluee Fri 15-Mar-19 12:46:29

Obviously not, but when did going onto a plane in your underwear become OK?

Willowtreecottage Fri 15-Mar-19 12:46:50

It was a totally attention getting excercise.
Planes are not hot! 😆
When she argued her point on This Morning - she came across as being pleased. Barely impassioned at all!
And it’s worked... hasn’t it - more people taking about her odd travelling attire!

Willowtreecottage Fri 15-Mar-19 12:47:21


dogsdinnerlady Fri 15-Mar-19 12:48:38

It's a bra. This young woman is clearly enjoying her five minutes of fame. Why would anyone who didn't want to be looked at wear a bra in public? TC staff should have just ignored her though.

SmiledWithTheRisingSun Fri 15-Mar-19 12:49:38

"Would be people be ok if a man was sitting next to your in just boxers on his lower half?"
^How is this the same??
She wasn't in pants FFS^

19lottie82 Fri 15-Mar-19 12:50:41

How is this the same??
She wasn't in pants FFS

Can you explain what the difference is?

SmiledWithTheRisingSun Fri 15-Mar-19 12:53:48

She had trousers and a top on.
She wasn't just wearing her knickers.
Not sure how else to explain that.
What's confusing? hmm

EstrellaDamn Fri 15-Mar-19 12:54:23

FFS. Another thread policing women's clothing choices.

thecatsthecats Fri 15-Mar-19 12:56:34

I think she looks fine.

Out of curiosity... on flights over 2h I usually unhook my bra, and anything longhaul I unfetter the beasts entirely. Usually in a tight, semi supportive, thin fabric but longsleeved top (find that most comfortable with all the bloody air con).

Is that indecent? (I'm not going to change my behaviour grin. Just sort of curious as to how many people I'm grossing out. For the record I also take off my shoes, but wear them moving around the plane, and keep my feet well within my own zone.)

Pewdie Fri 15-Mar-19 12:56:35

Women have tits. She covered them. Move on.

HJWT Fri 15-Mar-19 12:56:40

A 'crop top' comes just above or below the belly button, anything that comes just below your breasts is a 'bralette' or a Bra top 😂

SmiledWithTheRisingSun Fri 15-Mar-19 12:57:05

My thoughts exactly Estrella!

Pewdie Fri 15-Mar-19 12:57:17

All this pearl-clutching is laughable.

HJWT Fri 15-Mar-19 12:58:38

See 😎

Muckpuddle Fri 15-Mar-19 13:00:30


diddl Fri 15-Mar-19 13:02:25

"She had trousers and a top on. "

In your opinion!

I think that she had trousers & a bra on.

Still, she's getting attention-so job done!

HJWT Fri 15-Mar-19 13:02:32

I think its fine she doesn't really have large breasts so there is nothing spilling out, if she had low cut pants then id be a bit like 😬😬😬

Halloumimuffin Fri 15-Mar-19 13:03:01

Pearl clutchers here showing their age. This is completely normal attire, sold in all major shops in the CLOTHES section.

BrokenWing Fri 15-Mar-19 13:04:15

It's a bra. A woman who appears articulate and intelligent is fully capable of comprehending the reason for an airline (or any other business) trying to keep some sort of appropriate clothing policy in place. You either accept that businesses dress policy or don't use them.

She is basically a spoilt little madam looking for attention and has made herself look ridiculous (especially when she says Philip Scholfield should be allowed to wear speedos on the flight if he wants to!)

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:04:15

To me it looks like it's not a bra but not a proper top either. A little bit underwearish, but so what? She looks/looked fine.

The airline treated her like shit though, and have quite rightly said sorry to her.

She is a very sassy, outspoken young woman who refused to take any shit. Good for her. I would have cried at that age, if it had been me. More young women should be like her; not taking shitty behaviour lying down, and standing up for themselves.

Weirdly, a man on the plane, who was 12 or so rows back, had a pair of shorts on and a sleeveless vest. Nothing was said to him though. Hmmmmmm... 🤔

Misogyny at its finest! hmm

Pewdie Fri 15-Mar-19 13:05:15

And where was her male escort??

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:06:42

I'm an old fucker (mid 50's) and I thought she looked fine. A lovely pretty young woman with a lovely figure. smile

I think being a stuffy pearl clutcher isn't always age related. 😝

thatdamnwoman Fri 15-Mar-19 13:08:23

It's a bra.

She's a trainee accountant. I can imagine my own accountant, who recruits trainees and helps get them through their exams, looking at her performance on the sofa and deciding to steer well clear.

AnnaMagnani Fri 15-Mar-19 13:08:27

It's a bra and planes are cold - does no-one else always end up curled up under a coat?

Also, does anyone know what Holly is wearing? Her dress is lovely.

<<misses point of thread>>

diddl Fri 15-Mar-19 13:12:27

". A lovely pretty young woman with a lovely figure. smile"

So are you saying that it wouldn't be OK if it was someone overweight in the same outfit?

Limensoda Fri 15-Mar-19 13:15:22

Looks like a bra more than a top.
She's covered her breasts and looks ok, however, if there's a dress rule/code I suppose it has to be followed.

cherryblossomgin Fri 15-Mar-19 13:15:29

I don't see the problem with her outfit. Her boobs and legs are covered. It's a new trend to wear a bralette or crop top and pants. Personally I wouldn't wear that on a plane as it gets cold.

TapasForTwo Fri 15-Mar-19 13:16:37

I don't understand the fuss. It's a bralet, and I don't believe it was so hot on the plane thst she wasn't cold. I couldn't' care less what she wore.

I know a student who goes out in see through tops with just sticking plaster over her nipples. Now, I would call that attention seeking.

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:18:30

Stop trying to cause a fight @diddl

You won't get one from me. smile

talktoo Fri 15-Mar-19 13:18:46

It's not misogyny. If a bloke had tried to board in budgie smugglers he would also have been told to cover up. I have heard of men wearing 'wife beater' vests to be told to cover up. And yes that's a dreadful name but for the sake of helping people understand what item of clothing I am talking about, I have used the slang.

BrokenWing Fri 15-Mar-19 13:19:26

Weirdly, a man on the plane, who was 12 or so rows back, had a pair of shorts on and a sleeveless vest. Nothing was said to him though. Hmmmmmm…

We don't know why the guy was wearing, if he (and she) were wearing just above the knee shorts and a vest top covering most of their torso, it would have been fine for both of them.

If the man was wearing a top with a band of barely 2-3" of material around their back/sides with the rest bare they would also have been asked to cover up.

There is nothing misogynist about it.

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:19:52

As you have illustrated @TapasForTwo the outfit was fine.

Funny how they didn't have a go at the man on the plane who was dressed in a similar fashion - and actually showing off MORE flesh

ohtheholidays Fri 15-Mar-19 13:21:03

It's a crop top,but I wouldn't wear it anywhere but on the beach,around a pool or in my own garden.

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:21:13

It WAS misogynistic behaviour and the airline have admitted it and said sorry to her.

justasking111 Fri 15-Mar-19 13:21:15

I never notice what other folk are wearing on planes, only if they smell or are so bladdered I worry about them puking on me.

zod1ac19 Fri 15-Mar-19 13:21:53

People are missing the point, how on earth can she say she was wearing it because she felt hot on 2 March in Birmingham???

I think it's a bra btw.

Joebloggswazere Fri 15-Mar-19 13:21:58

It’s a top, I’ve seen lots of young girls wearing them on nights out. Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest, if you have the body for it, go for it, or even if you don’t have the body for it actually. I’ve seen more flesh on show in a vest top!

Yabbers Fri 15-Mar-19 13:23:18

Why does everyone keep saying planes are cold? I’m always roasting on planes!

RhymingRabbit Fri 15-Mar-19 13:23:20

Sorry are we comparing a man's dick to a girl's stomach? I think that lots of people have to go away and have a think about why this makes you feel so angry. It affected no one else. She was no showing any "private" areas. She was treated appallingly. Another example of total misogyny - just so sad that it is women doling it out!

Zebra31 Fri 15-Mar-19 13:23:42

Some posters need to drop those pearls before they snap. There is some utter misogynistic bolocks on this thread. She’s 21, she can pull it off. She’s not wearing nipple tassels FFS.

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:24:44

As a few posters have said, the pearl clutching on here is hilarious. I would hate to meet some of these people in real life. I bet they're the ones who complain about every last damn thing.......... They must do if they are getting antsy about this pretty young woman in a perfectly nice outfit.

Just picturing the cats-bum mouths on them all. grin

I can only surmise that they don't like attractive and confident women, and they don't like women to stick up for themselves when they're being treated badly. Says more about them tbh.

BrokenWing Fri 15-Mar-19 13:25:00

It WAS misogynistic behaviour and the airline have admitted it and said sorry to her.

All Ive seen is the airline admitting they could have handled it better. Can you link to where they admitted they were misogynistic or her clothes were acceptable?

TruffleShuffles Fri 15-Mar-19 13:25:08

Does it really matter what it’s called? It’s quite clearly outerwear IMO and I’ve worn similar outfits myself, admittedly not on a plane but I don’t see why wearing it on a plane makes it offensive. I’m guessing the people who are offended by the outfit haven’t left the house in the last two years as I see women wearing outfits like this all the time. I’ve also seen young men wearing those really loose vests that, gasp, may flash nipple on planes and I’ve never seen them being asked to cover up.

samsamsamsamsamsam Fri 15-Mar-19 13:25:17

when some posters say its 'inappropriate' what do they mean? I dont get it. What makes clothes appropriate or not?

AdamNichol Fri 15-Mar-19 13:26:44

Woman wear an outfit goes to airport.
Passes thru check in, passport, security, boarding gate, and plane boarding unchallenged.
When seated, cabin crew tells her she is inappropriately attired. She defends herself - and has other clothes in suitcase in hold - so other officials wade in and turn it into a public humiliation, and take steps to remove her from plane. Other passengers get angry about the delay and wade in to worsen the situation. Her friend then gets a jacket out for her to borrow (which the airline could have done but didn't). Sorry, but I don't see anything that she has done wrong. She was not dressed in a way that would expose any body part that society prefers to have covered for the most part. She was not dressed in any way that contravened a necessary safety requirement.
But, in a wider sense, why do we let businesses dictate how we are attired when we use their services (male or female)? Who is paying who here? As long as clothing is not illegal nor unsafe, why do they get to dictate to us what we do? Would you let a cab driver refuse you service because of what you were wearing? Or be denied entry to a bus or train? Why are planes any different?
I hope she rips them for every penny she can get. I'd want someone's head on a spike.

americandream Fri 15-Mar-19 13:27:34

Exactly @TruffleShuffles

A lot of histrionics about absolutely nothing.

As I said, the airline have said sorry. And quite bloody rightly too. Their behaviour was terrible.

ooItsAoBeautifulDayNow Fri 15-Mar-19 13:29:14

With everything going on in the world who would actually make a complaint about her outfit?

My mum for example might have nudged me and said ooh she must be cold slightly tinged with judgement - shes lovely but perhaps in an age / background thing.

But she and her similar friends would never ever ever take the time to formally complain about someone else's clothes! It's a borderline outfit for people who have a conservative approach but it's hardly nipple tassels and a thong is it?

Bloody hell. I hope those who complained Look at the terrible news from NZ this morning and realise there really are bigger battles to fight in this world than this. Christ almighty.

ooItsAoBeautifulDayNow Fri 15-Mar-19 13:30:05

@DailyMailFuckRightOff Also I LOVE Brop Top 😂😂😂😂😂

Joebloggswazere Fri 15-Mar-19 13:30:45

Saw a man on the train the other day, he was wearing a Frozen T-Shirt, a fluffy cardigan, sunglasses, hat and a pair of briefs. He had scarves around his ankles and flip flops. Ok so I’m not sure what he’d been smoking as he was very happy but nobody said a word. The train staff had a bit of banter with him and he turned heads as he sauntered through the train, but nobody collapsed and died as a result of seeing a man in pants in a public place! Ok if he was waggling his wanger around or that girl was shaking her naked boobs in people’s faces, I could see the problem. They weren’t though.

SquigglySquaw Fri 15-Mar-19 13:32:41

It's a bralette top. See them constantly, especially in summer. How anyone can be offended by seeing someone's shoulders and back baffles me. Absolutely ridiculous.

Huskylover1 Fri 15-Mar-19 13:34:31

Her appearance wouldn't bother me.

HOWEVER, why the fuck didn't she just follow the Airlines rules?

Instead of that, she felt that her "right" to wear a bra on board, trumped everyone else's right, to leave on time and arrive at their holiday destination on time. Not just that flight, but all the other flights of the day, that that plane was scheduled for.

That's over 500 people delayed, because Miss Gobby wouldn't follow the rules.

That would annoy me more than the flimsy top.

diddl Fri 15-Mar-19 13:35:46

"Stop trying to cause a fight @diddl"

Not trying to cause a fight, just asking a question.

flumpybear Fri 15-Mar-19 13:36:02

I think the point is that it's not a public place. It's a business environment albeit she's a paying customer they still have rules - If they, or a restaurant, or a school, or a business have a clothes policy and she was found to be outside of their rules of what's acceptable then she's in the wrong

As soon as I saw the story headline it just made me roll my eyes though - another dickhead wanting to cause a shit storm to make a point

Honestly, grow up

fairybeagle Fri 15-Mar-19 13:38:59

Its a bra. Not appropriate for travelling. Fine for the beach/clubbing etc as pp have said

nokidshere Fri 15-Mar-19 13:41:06

Well I personally wouldn't travel in a top that looks like a bra but nor I wouldn't complain about other people doing so. As far as I am aware there is no dress codes on flights?

BrokenWing Fri 15-Mar-19 13:41:08

Have a think, why are certain clothes suitable for the workplace and others aren't? If you had a younger workforce force who came into work in casual revealing clothes (male and female) do you think they would act and be perceived as less professional than if they came in appropriate smart clothes? Of course they would.

Because clothing, like it or not, influences how people are perceived and how they behave.

Airlines, especially to holiday destinations, want to influence as much as they can safe behaviour and a pleasant journey for ALL their customers and part of the way they do that is by having a dress standard onboard so people behave differently. The don't want to risk a party atmosphere onboard as there are safety implications.

TapasForTwo Fri 15-Mar-19 13:42:30

"Why does everyone keep saying planes are cold? I’m always roasting on planes!"

Because the aircon is always too cold on planes that I fly on. I always have to wear a jumper/cardigan on planes. The last few flights I have been on have been with Jet2, Tui and Virgin Atlantic.

Skyejuly Fri 15-Mar-19 13:44:31

It's a top. This whole thing is ridiculous. I cant believe what I am reading.

badlydrawnperson Fri 15-Mar-19 13:46:36

Do we know who actually decided she wasn't dressed properly and why?
It's not clear to me.
I would have thought she was dressed in a way I'd imagine possible for a flight to sunshine holiday destination.
It's not how I'd choose to dress but it's not for me to define other people's clothing, beyond safety and very obvious offence.

AdamNichol Fri 15-Mar-19 13:48:05

HOWEVER, why the fuck didn't she just follow the Airlines rules?
Why did no one tell her she had fallen below those rules until she was already in her seat? And why the fuck do they get to set rules on what you can wear (beyond the parameters of existing law)

I think the point is that it's not a public place. It's a business environment albeit she's a paying customer they still have rules - If they, or a restaurant, or a school, or a business have a clothes policy and she was found to be outside of their rules of what's acceptable then she's in the wrong
Airplanes are not business environments, they are transportation devices like busses and trains - paid for by individual customers who are aware they have to share the journey experience with other members of the public. They're already in enough trouble over their attire restrictions for staff. They can shove their policy, they have no right to dictate that sort of thing to customers. And it's not a case of use a rival instead, because there are limited alternatives for the route you may require. Nor would a rival position make the policy ok - just as it wouldn't if they demanded male pilots only, or no black passengers, or women to fly in Burkas.
Schools is not really an applicable analogy - there are no paying customers there, just staff and children (who are often uniformed for safeguarding, amongst other things). Yes, restaurants do the same, but why do we allow this either? I don't get thrown out of tesco for wearing yoga kit, so why off a plane?

SnowyAlpsandPeaks Fri 15-Mar-19 13:48:29

I’m just jealous I can’t get away with wearing things like that anymore- my boobs would be hanging out of the bottom of it! (Thanks kids!!)blush

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