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Cinderbelly Thu 14-Mar-19 08:43:14

I am currently reading the last Harry Potter book and this is really bugging me.

I struggled with hermione until I watched the first film (in my head I was reading it as her-me-on-ee) but every time I see the new minister for Magic's name my head reads it differently!
S-crime-gor?
Scrim-ee-gour? (Our like tour and like hour)
Scrim-ger? Both with a hard and soft g!

Please help I am a professional woman in my late thirties and this is driving me nuts!

Haveacupofcoffee Thu 14-Mar-19 08:44:43

I’ve always said something like scrim-jaw in my head

justmyview Thu 14-Mar-19 08:45:15

scrimjer

ClaraMatilda Thu 14-Mar-19 08:46:27

Scrim-jor, with the second syllable as in George.

LadyRochfordsSpangledGusset Thu 14-Mar-19 08:49:08

Scrim-Jurh smile With Jur said like the Jura mountains...

Singlenotsingle Thu 14-Mar-19 08:51:22

Scrim-i-jer

YessicaHaircut Thu 14-Mar-19 08:54:36

Not sure how it’s supposed to be pronounced but in my head it’s scrim-jaw.

Astrid0208 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:54:41

Scrim jower, to rhyme with shower. Hopefully someone who paid attention to the films will come along soon!

BeGoodTanya Thu 14-Mar-19 08:57:31

SCRIM-jor for me.

The pronunciation that I seem to alter every time I say it in HP6 (reading it aloud currently to my six year old, who is getting bored ‘with all the kissing’) is Felix Felicis. My Latin is scant, and I’m not sure where the emphasis in ‘felicis’ goes. FEL-ic-is? Fel-IC-is?

kaytee87 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:59:08

Scrim jower

^ this too

Singlenotsingle Thu 14-Mar-19 09:08:24

Feleesis. I did Latin but it was a long time ago.

YerAWizardHarry Thu 14-Mar-19 09:11:10

Audiobooks say SCRIM-jer

PodgeBod Thu 14-Mar-19 09:12:41

Scrim-gow-er which is probably really wrong. I also couldnt pronounce Hermione until Krum sounded it out grin

Eliza9917 Thu 14-Mar-19 09:13:45

Scrim-gee-orr

IWantChocolates Thu 14-Mar-19 09:17:49

Scrim-jer.

And felix fell-ee-sis.

blackteasplease Thu 14-Mar-19 09:22:26

I always pronounced it scrim-jaw in my head. But then the films had it s scrim-jer so I guess I had it wrong

But I used to pronounce Draco as Draco rather than drake-o like in the films so what do I know?

TheGirlWithAllTheFeathers Thu 14-Mar-19 09:23:07

Scrim-i-jer
I'm east coast Scottish

LeekMunchingSheepShagger Thu 14-Mar-19 09:23:25

Scrim-jer

amusedbush Thu 14-Mar-19 09:23:55

SCRIM-juhr. I'm Scottish.

amusedbush Thu 14-Mar-19 09:25:19

I also couldnt pronounce Hermione until Krum sounded it out

That's why JK Rowling put that part in the book. Apparently people were calling her Hermy-own!

wafflyversatile Thu 14-Mar-19 09:28:00

My old teacher was scrimjer.

FrancisCrawford Thu 14-Mar-19 09:29:41

Scrim-jer

East coast Scottish and know a few folk with this surname - all say it this way

fussychica Thu 14-Mar-19 09:30:29

When the books first came out DS was at primary school and came home to say his teacher was talking about Hermy owne and he had to correct her shock Bet that went down wellgrin

MinesaPinot Thu 14-Mar-19 09:32:19

Scrim-jer

DH always refers to Hermione as Hermy-own, and has done since he read the first book.

Rumbletum2 Thu 14-Mar-19 09:32:50

I’m sure I saw a “making of” video somewhere in which Daniel Radcliffe and the other younger cast members were discussing this and they were saying Scrimjer.

widgetbeana Thu 14-Mar-19 09:37:33

Scrim - jer.

Feee licks Fee lee sis

That's how the audiobooks pronounce it.

eastwestnorth Thu 14-Mar-19 09:39:20

Yes, Scrim-jer.

It's quite a common surname in parts of Scotland.

EstrellaDamn Thu 14-Mar-19 09:43:03

Scrimjir.

It's a very common name round here.

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 09:56:28

Skrim eh jer

Tighnabruaich Thu 14-Mar-19 09:59:20

Scrim-jer.
There was an old actress from years ago called Hermione Baddeley and no one had problems pronouncing it correctly. Maybe it's a bit more rare these days so people don't know how to say it? However, I was a bit gobsmacked when a colleague said they'd not realised that Penelope Cruz's name was the same as the one she'd been reading in a book as 'Penny-lope'.

MadeleineMaxwell Thu 14-Mar-19 10:02:37

Stephen Fry says 'SCRIM-jer' and 'fell-ISS-iss', and he's properly posh and edjumacated, so I believe him.

LividLaughLove Thu 14-Mar-19 10:06:50

As above, Stephen Fry says Scrim-jer.

Where on earth are people getting an extra syllable in the middle from?

Absurditi Thu 14-Mar-19 10:08:19

I always said scrim-jor

Absurditi Thu 14-Mar-19 10:10:05

What about Merope? Is the e silent or not

AngeloMysterioso Thu 14-Mar-19 10:12:57

I read it as Mer like merry
Ope like Penelope

MadeleineMaxwell Thu 14-Mar-19 10:29:52

Merope = MEH-roh-pay (ish)

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 10:37:46

Probably local accent dahling ! @LividLaughLove
OP question was how do YOU pronounce it . I could have said I pronounce it " D***head".

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 10:43:01

I was at school with a very handsome young man with that surname.

MereDintofPandiculation Thu 14-Mar-19 10:51:28

I always pronounced is Scrim-joor, on the erroneous in this case logic that in Latin based languages g tends to be hard before a,o, u, so if you want a soft g in front of an o, you stick an e before the o. Thus explaining why it's a soft g, and why the e is pronounced separately (it's there only to modify the g sound).

English differs from a lot of languages in that it uses extra letters to modify previous syllables. So lop compared to lope - the e changes the pronunciation of the o. Our natural tendency is "Pe-ne-lope" but in Lating.greek and the S European languages every syllable is pronounced, so its' Pe-ne-lo-pe" (and, of course, Her-my-o-ne")

Rockbird Thu 14-Mar-19 10:53:08

I'm amazed that people didn't know how to pronounce Hermione. It's not that rare a name, even before HP.

cardibach Thu 14-Mar-19 10:55:36

People saying scrim-i-jer or variations, where is that i coming from?
I’d say SCRIM-jaw or -jer people are saying the same thing with slightly less emphasis in the second version. It’s also how I say it.

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 10:59:46

Language evolves.
Different areas say things in different ways i.e. the word "bath" .

What about the Featherstones and Cholmondleys ?

Cinderbelly Thu 14-Mar-19 11:07:46

smile scrim-jur thanks all!!!
I've just come across his name again and I'm definitely drawing a blank with his whole character. In my head he looks like the lion king from bed knobs and broomsticks in a wizards cloak!

I also can't pronounce Felix felicis, so just read Felix and skim over the rest.

I feel much better that I'm not the only person who struggles with hermione.

I also thought Sirius was pronounced sire-us until I saw the film.

Interesting about merope... I thought the e was silent like mu-rope

How about Firenze (fur-enz) have I got that right? I'm also sure there's a death eater called something like Rudolph that again I'm sure can't actually be Rudolph?

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 11:08:41

By 1298, Alexander had adopted the name 'Skirmeschur' and had a charter for some lands near Dundee from Sir William Wallace, Guardian of the Kingdom. Along with the lands came the title of Constable of the Castle of Dundee and this became a hereditary office of the Chief of the Scrimgeours.

Where the extra "e" or "i " comes from !

AngeloMysterioso Thu 14-Mar-19 11:10:43

I'm amazed that people didn't know how to pronounce Hermione. It's not that rare a name, even before HP.

I’d never heard it before I started reading HP- I was pronouncing it Hermy-own in my head for quite a while!

DanielRicciardosSmile Thu 14-Mar-19 11:12:22

Scrim-jor. And f'lee-sis.

sweetsaltypopcorn Thu 14-Mar-19 13:59:17

Scrim-gor
But I have no clue whether it's correct

BlackPrism Thu 14-Mar-19 14:00:58

It's scrum-juh (as it is said in the Audio books by Stephen Fry)

BeGoodTanya Thu 14-Mar-19 14:02:33

Thanks, Charly -- I didn't know it was a Scottish surname.

I'm also surprised so many people hadn't encountered Hermione before Harry Potter. ,

I assume Firenze is pronounced the way Florence is in Italian -- Fi- REN- zay. Though have always thought it was a slightly odd name for a centaur.

BeGoodTanya Thu 14-Mar-19 14:05:05

And Merope is Meh-ro-pee. Like Sirius, her name is a star, one of the Pleiades.

CharlyAngelic Thu 14-Mar-19 14:07:14

Your welcome @BeGoodTanya
Although that name may have evolved from a French one.

Cinderbelly Thu 14-Mar-19 16:00:14

confused seems I've been pronouncing most of the names wrong grin

Might have to get the audiobook for the car

FuzzyPuffling Thu 14-Mar-19 16:05:01

Scrim-juh.

999caffeineplease Thu 14-Mar-19 16:18:08

Scrim-jer, east coast of Scotland. Know a few with this name.

999caffeineplease Thu 14-Mar-19 16:19:23

I love the names in Harry Potter

SileneOliveira Thu 14-Mar-19 16:25:06

Common Scottish surname. Scrim-jerr.

Walnutwhipster Thu 14-Mar-19 16:26:48

I have a friend who has that surname. It's pronounced scrimjer.

Ffsnosexallowed Thu 14-Mar-19 16:27:38

Scrim-jehr. Had lots of lectures in the Scrim-jehr building years and years ago.

fanfan18 Thu 14-Mar-19 16:38:42

Apparently people were calling her Hermy-own

I was one of them!

EstrellaDamn Thu 14-Mar-19 16:57:03

Me too @Ffsnosexallowed smile

squishee Thu 14-Mar-19 17:00:49

Along the same lines as ginger.

AmIthatbloodycold Thu 14-Mar-19 17:04:17

Common name here

All pronounce Scrim jer

CornishMaid1 Thu 14-Mar-19 17:05:35

Scrim-jer with 'jer' like in jurassic.

CookieSwirlC Thu 14-Mar-19 19:16:18

I always pronounce Merope as Meh-rope never occurred to me it would be
Meh-ro-pee like Penelope.

I also say Fi-renz (sounds a bit like how the Inbetweeners say friends)

foxtiger Thu 14-Mar-19 19:21:34

I've known two real people with this name, and I've never heard either of them say their name themselves, but the way other people round them pronounced it was different (in different regions).

The one I knew when I was growing up in the East Midlands, people must have been saying as Scrimjaw, because I actually thought her name was Scrimshaw until I saw it written down.

The one I know now, in the South-West, seems to be called Scrimja (like ninja) by everyone.

Random18 Thu 14-Mar-19 19:24:30

West Coast Scotland
Probably scrim-jehr

Now Menzies - that is an interesting one

onthenaughtystepagain Thu 14-Mar-19 21:51:00

What about the Featherstones and Cholmondleys ?

Fanshaw and Chumley, although the latter used in Salford for a road is pronounced as it's written.
Always remember Belvoir is pronounced Beever

CharlyAngelic Fri 15-Mar-19 07:30:28

And of course , Cockburn .

Bigearringsbigsmile Fri 15-Mar-19 07:33:09

i say it scrim-gee-or

Bigearringsbigsmile Fri 15-Mar-19 07:33:35

with a hard g-like in goat

CharlyAngelic Fri 15-Mar-19 07:38:50

Good for you @Big
I will continue to say it my way too 😁
We are all individuals !
To some, a spade is a shovel.

OwlBeThere Fri 15-Mar-19 07:50:20

For the longest time I mis-read scrimgeour as scrimegor and pronouncing it as if it were someone who scrimmages blushconfused so now even though I know I’m wrong I can’t say it differently in my head.
In the same way I had a teacher who read Oliver Twist with me in primary school who pronounced Fagin as Fa-gun. So for years Fag-in sounded really alien to me!

Crunchycrunchycrunchy Fri 15-Mar-19 08:54:04

OP to answer your next question, Firenze is pronounced feer-en-se (it is Italian). Although in the films they do say fuh-rens. No idea what they say in the audiobooks.

As for the death eater, there isn't one called Rudolph. Do you mean Dolohov? Or Rosier?

Crunchycrunchycrunchy Fri 15-Mar-19 08:56:39

Although as a child I always said fi-rens for Firenze and only realised as a teenager that that was wrong. Seeing as they don't say it the italian way at all in the films I've never really kicked the habit.

FedUpParent Fri 15-Mar-19 09:00:45

This is my ex's surname and the entire family pronounce it Scrim-Gore

FedUpParent Fri 15-Mar-19 09:03:26

Although it will definitely be the Scottish version you should use with it being Harry Potter smile

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