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BruthasTortoise Wed 06-Mar-19 21:27:17

AIBU to think that Karen Bradley, the Secretary of State for NI, must resign after her comments today in which she totally exonerated all members of the security forces for their actions during the conflict in NI? I know the DUP are the Tories partners in power but surely this is a step too far?

Alicesweewonders Wed 06-Mar-19 21:33:05

An outrageous, insensitive & uneducated comment. She really needs a good lesson in Irish history.

Firstbornunicorn Wed 06-Mar-19 21:34:21

She is ridiculous. The numbers she quoted weren't even close to being accurate. She needs to go.

BigBairyHollocks Wed 06-Mar-19 21:34:26

I rarely comment on this type of thing,but yes she should absolutely resign.Deplorable comments.

FiddleFaddleDingDong Wed 06-Mar-19 21:36:24

YANBU

She should have resigned the day she blithely admitted she didn't realise republicans voted for republican parties and unionists voted for unionist parties. I mean, what the actual fuck.

Her appointment really illustrates how little regard the government have for the position of Secretary of State for NI. It's considered one the lesser cabinet positions, one that any old imbecile can do.

peachgreen Wed 06-Mar-19 21:38:03

YANBU. I actually felt a bit sick when I heard her comments. She's either an biased bigot or disgracefully ignorant. Not sure what's worse.

Oswin Wed 06-Mar-19 21:39:17

Yanbu.

BruthasTortoise Wed 06-Mar-19 21:39:26

The fact that she has now issued a clarification which is as clear as mud further reinforces the fact that she is just completely out of her depth. It's hard to fathom that this attitude is still prevalent in Westminster!

Cobblersandhogwash Wed 06-Mar-19 21:41:27

She won't resign. Nobody will make her resign. The government is full of fools like this. We are truly shafted.

FiddleFaddleDingDong Wed 06-Mar-19 21:42:11

I suppose Chris Grayling has to have a day off every so often from being the thickest and most incompetent minister.

Voldethought Wed 06-Mar-19 22:14:20

She should resign.

Just when you think the current crop of ministers can't get any worse, another one opens their mouth....

Such a dangerous, incendiary comment at a time of turmoil for NI.

macnab Thu 07-Mar-19 10:27:45

YANBU. She has proven herself to be completely incompetent in this role and should go. But it doesn't look like she will...

Mo Mowlam must be turning in her grave sad

implantsandaDyson Thu 07-Mar-19 10:34:53

YANBU - I have become used to Karen Bradley's sheer ineptitude in her post. Most people have the wit to keep their mouth shut when they realise they are out of their depth but she seems to revel in revealing her lack of intelligence and her lack of ability in researching or reading up on issues. However what she said yesterday goes beyond her usual lack of knowledge and carelessness. I grew up somewhere where soldiers played fast and loose with children's lives and plastic bullets, not to mention shooting unarmed civilians and the anger I feel today at her comments has taken me by surprise.

Ceci03 Thu 07-Mar-19 10:36:54

YANBU cant believe how ignorant she is

unitoast Thu 07-Mar-19 11:55:21

It's incredible that an MP can state a string of ignorant and damaging comments related specifically to their remit and face no consequences.

The news coverage of this is 'interesting.' The Telegraph have printed several articles in the past few days critical of the possible Bloody Sunday prosecutions, yet Karen Bradley's contentious comments have so far been ignored. I'm amazed that the BBC covered it TBH.

FiddleFaddleDingDong Thu 07-Mar-19 12:03:45

Mo Mowlam must be turning in her grave

sad

British politics is sadly lacking any Mo Mowlams these days. A shower of incompetents.

LaurieMarlow Thu 07-Mar-19 12:07:30

I can't think back to a time when our ministers were so incompetent. It's actually jaw dropping what they're getting away with.

While Karen is thick as pig shit and arrogant to boot, she isn't even the worst of them (Grayling I'm looking at you).

May has no leadership skills and she's surrounded herself with twats.

Pumperthepumper Thu 07-Mar-19 12:23:17

I keep seeing that clip of her speech and it just makes me feel ill. What a stupid, insulting thing to say. She should be out on her arse.

JRMisOdious Thu 07-Mar-19 12:49:37

Today 12:07 LaurieMarlow

I can't think back to a time when our ministers were so incompetent. It's actually jaw dropping what they're getting away wIth”.

Exactly this. Ministers years ago, of whichever stripe, were at the very least competent. Some were intellectual giants: Wilson, Healey, Benn, Williams, Jenkins, Castle, etc. Didn't necessarily agree with their politics but they were smart. It felt that the country was at least being steered by people of ability. Kenneth Clarke seems to be the only person left with that level of intellect.
“Senior” figure now seems to mean anyone we’ve actually heard of and who hasn’t resigned or been sacked yet, with a few exceptions (there must be, I’m trying hard to think of names 😁), the Commons seems to be inhabited by a bunch of extremely average people who would struggle to hold down anything above mid-management in the real world.
I don’t want to be governed by average people like me, I want to be governed by brilliant people, of whatever political persuasion.
Grayling, Williamson, Barclay, Mordant, Truss, Corbyn, Rayner, Long-Bayley, Burgon and on and on. FFS, Are these REALLY the best our country can produce?

Maybe83 Thu 07-Mar-19 12:53:35

I don't why the UK government is playing fire with NI.

It's coming apart and the consequences are going to be disastrous.

She is a complete and utter liability and needs to go. Distrust has never been higher than the signing of GFA and I am so so angry that all the work that went into trying to create some for of stability and peace is being trampled on so easily.

Bluestitch Thu 07-Mar-19 12:55:30

YANBU but I can't understand why she was ever given the job in the first place when she admitted to being utterly clueless on NI politics.

HeyThoughIWalk Thu 07-Mar-19 13:00:26

@Bluestitch because everyone else was just as clueless, and someone had to do it?

AdoraBell Thu 07-Mar-19 13:03:03

YANBU but I doubt she will resign.

doIreallyneedto Thu 07-Mar-19 13:12:53

There have been some memorably incompetent, utterly clueless, NI secretaries over the years, but she really takes the biscuit. I think she is reflective of the incompetence of the government as a whole. I doubt she'll resign.

LaurieMarlow Thu 07-Mar-19 13:15:32

She has apologised I see. hmm

Muppet.

LivLemler Thu 07-Mar-19 13:15:56

She'll get away with it. They all do, and let's face it - she was only grossly offensive and ignorant about NI. Who cares about us?! I am not sure it's actually possible to be incompetent enough to get fired from this government.

ILoveMaxiBondi Thu 07-Mar-19 13:17:19

Karen Bradley is the embodiment of the utter contempt the British government has for NI and its people.

hanahsaunt Thu 07-Mar-19 13:28:16

Chris Grayling is still in post ...

EmeraldShamrock Thu 07-Mar-19 13:29:11

She must go, I suspect she is not as ignorant or stupid as she would like you to believe.
She is on par with Katie Hopkins, only she has some power.
As pps have posted Karen has said many shocking things, this is horrendous even for her.

sue51 Thu 07-Mar-19 13:30:06

The apology isn't enough. For a woman in her position to display such ignorance is unacceptable. She should resign or be sacked.

Jebuschristchocolatebar Thu 07-Mar-19 13:32:46

She is a sad reflection of British people in general who don’t have a clue or care about those of us who identify as Irish in The North of Ireland. Who cares about any of us as long as Brexit happens, the dup get their way and the troubles kick off again. Fun times ahead

FiddleFaddleDingDong Thu 07-Mar-19 13:33:34

Her comments make a mockery of the British govt's apology for Bloody Sunday.

UterusUterusGhali Thu 07-Mar-19 13:36:43

YANBU.
Im actually quite cross about it.

doIreallyneedto Thu 07-Mar-19 13:38:56

@FiddleFaddleDingDong - Her comments make a mockery of the British govt's apology for Bloody Sunday.

I suspect her comments are representative of the silently held opinions of many in the government.

JRMisOdious Thu 07-Mar-19 13:42:41

Jebuschristchocolatebar

She is a sad reflection of British people in general who don’t have a clue or care about those of us who identify as Irish in The North of Ireland. Who cares about any of us as long as Brexit happens, the dup get their way and the troubles kick off again. Fun times ahead“

(I don’t know a great deal about the implications for you personally but know just a little, my stepdad is Irish).

I care blush and I don’t want Brexit.

jusdepamplemousse Thu 07-Mar-19 13:43:09

I have rarely felt anger towards a politician like I felt towards her after those comments yesterday. Given I live in NI and the political age we currently inhabit that is really something.

She is so careless, so crass, so ignorant, so arrogant to display her lack of even basic knowledge (not to mention basic diplomacy). She and her party disgust me. Wickedly and wilfully uninterested and uninformed and completely unable and indeed apparently unwilling to uphold the British state’s obligations as guarantors of the NI peace.

FiddleFaddleDingDong Thu 07-Mar-19 13:48:48

'Karen Bradley "is not fit for to be the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland” after comments about the Troubles says former police ombudsman Baroness Nuala O'Loan'

implantsandaDyson Thu 07-Mar-19 14:00:39

Her position is completely untenable. At the minute as well as awaiting instruction re possible prosecution regarding Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy murders inquest is currently ongoing and has recently heard evidence from a man who was shot as an 11 year old. I can't even fathom Karen Brady's thought process.

EmeraldShamrock Thu 07-Mar-19 14:01:23

I rewatched it, she really reacted in angry to the 90% terrorist comment, not professional at all.
I suspect her comments are representative of the silently held opinions of many in the government
I agree, though a person in power should never share it.
In many patriotic Irish eyes, there'd have been no need for terrorist killings had British RUC not terrorised catholic folk.
None if the killings can be justified, so many family's broken but both had their reasons.

FiddleFaddleDingDong Thu 07-Mar-19 14:03:41

Her position is completely untenable

At any other time in recent history she'd be gone, but these days...

FiddleFaddleDingDong Thu 07-Mar-19 14:06:23

CathalMacCoille


@CMacCoille
Two islands, two different media worlds.
In Ireland, north and south, controversy rages over what #KarenBradley said in the House of Commons.
In Britain, it's barely mentioned, if mentioned at all.
For example, in the newspaper review on @BBCr4today: not a word.

^^ sums it up really.

doIreallyneedto Thu 07-Mar-19 14:18:04

@EmeraldShamrock - In many patriotic Irish eyes, there'd have been no need for terrorist killings had British RUC not terrorised catholic folk.

You should, perhaps, do a little research into the history of NI. I don't know any Irish people who have such an ignorant opinion. Most know what led to the troubles and that the root cause was institutionalised discrimination against catholics. The Catholic community initially welcomed the British army with open arms as they believed they would protect them. How wrong they were.

Murder is murder. It is wrong if it is committed by terrorists. It is wrong if it is committed by agents of the government (e.g. army, police). It is wrong, full stop. Condoning murder by the crown forces is no different to condoning murder by terrorist organisations.

WhatchaMaCalllit Thu 07-Mar-19 14:32:01

It's is a really shocking day - as someone Irish watching this play out in front of my eyes, I think she has no option but to go.
To have appointed someone who is so wholly unsuited, uninformed, ignorant of the history of the situation as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, is unfathomable.

I completely agree that Mo Mowlam must be turning in her grave. It is utterly shocking and at such an important time in NI politics, with the Bloody Sunday inquiry to decide if the soldiers who opened fire on unarmed civilians is criminal and with the DUP holding on to shared power in Westminster with the Tories and Brexit still to happen at the end of the month, it is more than important to have someone in this role who is not ignorant of the basic facts of the history of Northern Ireland and Anglo-Irish politics, it is in fact VITAL!!!

TheWernethWife Thu 07-Mar-19 14:33:43

JRM - Angela Rayner is a hard working MP, and is passionate about decent education opportunities for our children. She is not my MP but I admire her.

Alsohuman Thu 07-Mar-19 14:42:36

If Chris Grayling hasn’t resigned or been sacked, there’s little prospect of any other ministers not being safe.

EmeraldShamrock Thu 07-Mar-19 14:47:47

Most know what led to the troubles and that the root cause was institutionalised discrimination against catholics
Yes I aware of this. I may not know lots of things but I do lots of the history in NI have put across well what I was trying to say, I meant there not have been terrorist murders if the Catholic community were not been institutionalised and discriminated against.
My in-laws and cousins are NI Catholics so I am very much aware of how the fighting started and how the soldiers were once welcomed, I am also aware of how they turned on the people, throwing them from their homes, terrorising the people.
I am not condoning murder from either side for a second.

doIreallyneedto Thu 07-Mar-19 15:00:57

@EmeraldShamrock - I agree, though a person in power should never share it.

You stated that you agreed with her viewpoint. That suggests, rather strongly, that you believe all of the killings by the British forces were justified. That may not have been your intention but that is the way it reads.

CordeliaEarhart Thu 07-Mar-19 15:02:02

She is a sad reflection of British people in general who don’t have a clue or care about those of us who identify as Irish in The North of Ireland.

There are a lot of us who do have a clue, do care, and are appalled. The implications for NI are why I was so passionately pro-Remain. I'm by no means special amongst my friends and family.

FlaviaAlbia Thu 07-Mar-19 15:08:51

Yes, she's astonishingly ignorant about NI and it just keeps getting more and more obvious.

Even if you were given a job you knew nothing about, surely you'd do some reading up in your spare time...

EmeraldShamrock Thu 07-Mar-19 15:19:13

You stated that you agreed with her viewpoint
I really truly do NOT agree with her view point. I really came across badly.
I suspect her comments are representative of the silently held opinions of many in the government
I agreed many representatives hold the same opinion.
I think the woman should be sacked.

doIreallyneedto Thu 07-Mar-19 15:39:21

@EmeraldShamrock - I really truly do NOT agree with her view point. I really came across badly.

Reading back over your post, I can see I misread it. I'm very sorry about that.

Just shows though, doesn't it, how easy it is to misunderstand one another?I guess read a second time before reacting, should be my new motto 😁

10IAR Thu 07-Mar-19 15:45:37

Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday are just two high profile examples where she's clearly completely wrong. I'm sure there are more.

She's absolutely not the right person for the job she holds, and frankly shouldn't be in any position of power.

1 Para in particular bear looking into, it was a rogue battalion under the control of COs with one purpose. To terrorise and intimidate Irish Catholics.

DGRossetti Thu 07-Mar-19 16:30:19

Looks like Amber Rudd decided to dive in front of this one to make it go away ....

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/amber-rudd-diane-abbott-coloured-woman-racism-bbc-jeremy-vine-a8812251.html

MillytantForceit Thu 07-Mar-19 16:36:04

Ignorant, stupid and lacking self-awareness.

She is an English Tory. She has not the faintest clue as to how that will affect the way she is perceived by nationalists.

By all accounts, her ignorance has been exasperating folk in NI for some time.

Should be sacked. But won't be.

EmeraldShamrock Thu 07-Mar-19 16:37:19

doIreallyneedto No problem, I have done it myself before grin

DGRossetti Thu 07-Mar-19 16:41:34

Even if you were given a job you knew nothing about, surely you'd do some reading up in your spare time...

Only if you gave a shit.

scubadoobie Thu 07-Mar-19 16:50:15

She's obviously never heard of, for instance, Bloody Sunday, The Glenanne Gang, or the Miami Showband Massacre, to name a few. Given her record as SoSNI, it's very clear that she knows nothing, nor cares to learn anything, about Northern Ireland. She's content to take her lead from the fidelitous and finance scandal-fee top minds of the DUP. She has to go.

Katterinaballerina Thu 07-Mar-19 16:54:57

Amber Rudd’s is bad but I think she has grounds for claiming she misspoke and turned ‘woman of colour’ into the offensive ‘coloured woman.’ It’s not quite on the same level as someone using the N word and then claiming they misspoke - why would that word even be in your vocabulary.

DGRossetti Thu 07-Mar-19 16:54:58

She's obviously never heard of, for instance, Bloody Sunday

We can't all like U2 ....

Katterinaballerina Thu 07-Mar-19 16:57:25

As FiddleFaddleDingDong said, Chris Grayling must be having a well earned day off.

Katterinaballerina Thu 07-Mar-19 16:58:46

They did infringe my human rights by automatically downloading that album onto my iPad but they’ve never (to my knowledge) shot unarmed, peaceful protesters.

ataleoftwothenthreethenfour Thu 07-Mar-19 17:04:01

I just cannot understand this woman. She is older than me, I googled her just be sure, how can she not have heard of events like Bloody Sunday? What's she been doing with her time? I'm English and certainly no expert on N.Ireland (but then I don't have her job, so I don't have to be). Even I can see what a crass and stupid statement she made, she should be better informed and she should resign out of sheer embarrassment.

DGRossetti Thu 07-Mar-19 17:05:03

They did infringe my human rights by automatically downloading that album onto my iPad but they’ve never (to my knowledge) shot unarmed, peaceful protesters.

On a serious note - to be fair to the lads - I recall Bono being very vocal about the situation ... didn't he try and teach Americans a bit by holding up two flags and saying all he saw were rags of blood ? Also didn't he climb the lighting rigs to plant a white flag ?

Obviously in the days before they were shit ....

Katterinaballerina Thu 07-Mar-19 17:05:58

Yep. Sound on Bloody Sunday.

DGRossetti Thu 07-Mar-19 17:10:59

how can she not have heard of events like Bloody Sunday? What's she been doing with her time?

Considering there was a 10 year inquiry into it not that long ago ?

You have to question her fitness for office ?

When I rule the world, we'll have public examinations of ministerial candidates - a la "Mastermind" - where they have to convince "the peoples panel" they aren't a waste of space.

No one wants SMEs. But at the same time, no one wants people who would score lower than my wisdom teeth in a senior government position.

MillytantForceit Thu 07-Mar-19 17:40:16

Simple Duffer's Quiz for prospective NI Minsters:

1. What is the difference between Northern Ireland and the north of Ireland?

2. What is the difference between the Republic of Ireland and the Irish Republic?

3. What is the difference between Ulster and the Six Counties?

4. What is the difference between the British Isles and the British Islands?

5. Who were:
(a) The Black & Tans
(b) The B-Specials
(c) The Third Force

6. What is the diiference between NORAD and NORAID

Legofriday Thu 07-Mar-19 18:01:46

Honest to fuck, how can someone this stupid be a minister? How can she not know the most basic things about NI? I don't really understand how someone interested in politics knows nothing about NI. It's really the most important thing that's happened in my lifetime (before this Brexit fuck up) in British politics. How does that pass you by if you read newspapers? I do not understand the sheer level of ignorance. She has to resign.

Graphista Thu 07-Mar-19 18:46:11

It's incidents like these that make me so shocked at people who try and make out that the Labour Party are worse than the tories in the bigotry stakes.

Labour Party absolutely has its problems but so often those talking about those talk as if the tories aren't bigoted - they've always been massively so, they've just (mostly, for a time) got very skilled at hiding it from the public.

Though certainly the recent tories have an appalling track record on this. Boris Johnson comes to mind obviously but there's been lots of more subtle comments AND it shows in their policies/actions too.

NI is very much being treated as an inconvenience by the tories at the moment, not least regarding brexit.

You'd think, if for mere "self preservation" reasons (have they forgotten that the troubles didn't just take place in NI?) they'd get a fucking grip and put a minister in place that has at least the first clue of the history of the country.

Ffs the least she can do is even read the most basic info on it IT'S HER JOB!!

If Chris grayling is having a day off thank fuck! Anyone watch last leg? Apparently his cock ups have so far cost the country £533m!

Agree on her age being a factor too, she's 2 years older than me certainly old enough to remember how bad it was (though admittedly the uk media bias at the time towards the Protestant side of things won't have helped matters in terms of people's awareness. No excuse for that now though).

"When I rule the world, we'll have public examinations of ministerial candidates - a la "Mastermind" - where they have to convince "the peoples panel" they aren't a waste of space." Ooft don't get me started.

Makes me think of that thing that went around Facebook (not sure about how accurate it was) when apparently each minister was particularly well suited for each role. Something like an athlete as the sports minister, dr as the health minister etc

When I look at our mps and the cabinet (and shadow cabinet) roles they're in and you look at their qualifications and work history, they're rarely connected in any way! Its bonkers!

Any good manager puts people in roles that play to their strengths, and SACKS the ones with none!

And (said this before) honestly given most mps have supposedly had good often Oxbridge educations - if I were anything to do with those institutions I'd find it fucking embarrassing how thick they are!

Tomtontom Thu 07-Mar-19 18:53:52

Can we add Andrea Leadsom to this shitshower? When asked for a debate in parliament about Islamophobia, she said it was a matter for the Foreign Office.

Does she think all Muslims are foreigners, or does she just not think? It's not like this isn't a prevalent issue for the Conversative Party.

LadyGregorysToothbrush Thu 07-Mar-19 18:56:13

She was elected in May 2010, so would likely have been in the Commons in the day David Cameron apologised on behalf of the British government for the Bloody Sunday killings and said they were “unjustified and unjustifiable” (June 2010). Even more remarkable and damning ignorance in light of that.

Here’s his statement in full - worth reading for anyone who still buys into the “Our Boys Above All” mentality.

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