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Why don't men get 1 year paternity leave?

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Catinthetwat Sat 02-Mar-19 14:41:12

I was just wondering what people's thoughts were on this?

I think it's hard to defend unequal access to parental leave. This is important for men, women and for children. The only argument against is an economic one. Is that a good enough reason?

The government are currently looking into extending the 2 weeks paternity leave to around 12 weeks I think - which would be a start.

So, men should be given 1 years paternity leave with pay and benefits equal to women - aibu?

Osirus Sat 02-Mar-19 14:42:49

I would have thought possibly because in most cases, it only takes one to look after a newborn during a normal day.

They can always take shared leave if the mother is happy to go back to work early.

Drogosnextwife Sat 02-Mar-19 14:44:49

Yeah I really don't think companies would be happy to lose men and women for a whole year because of people having children.

DisappearingFish Sat 02-Mar-19 14:46:24

Men don't carry and birth babies. Men can't breastfeed babies. The "fourthly trimester" is a thing.

Parental leave can actually be shared so fathers can take more time off if they want.

DisappearingFish Sat 02-Mar-19 14:46:54

* fourth

LittlePaintBox Sat 02-Mar-19 14:47:33

Take a year's paternity leave and do what?

Lockheart Sat 02-Mar-19 14:48:17

I thought you could swap leave between parents? So in theory a father could have a lot of leave!

Doesn't seem sensible to have both parents off work for a year. I think leaving it to the couple as to how they split their leave is a fair way of doing it.

CraftyGin Sat 02-Mar-19 14:48:25

Men don’t breastfeed.

Jackshouse Sat 02-Mar-19 14:49:04

Men can have 50 weeks parental leave so nearly a year. It’s shared leave and they are entitled to the same a SMP.

SuperSange Sat 02-Mar-19 14:49:37

Well for a start, women don't get a year paid, they get nine months. So no, men shouldn't get a year.

Waveysnail Sat 02-Mar-19 14:49:58

But parents can share maternity leave

Lockheart Sat 02-Mar-19 14:50:00

Although thinking practically, it's sensible to have the mother take the majority of leave, due to the whole recovering from birth and breastfeeding malarkey. Of course if you have an easy birth and don't breastfeed this doesn't apply.

Jackshouse Sat 02-Mar-19 14:50:03

I personally would like to see a Swedish model where parental leave is better paid at the moment even in public sector there are huge variations.

Mysterycat23 Sat 02-Mar-19 14:50:15

Men don't recover from birth complications. Men are not biologically designed to be the baby's carer for the first year of life.

Wait until you have a DC yourself then come back and try again. HTH

NameChangeNugget Sat 02-Mar-19 14:50:30

I don’t think many would take it up.

They got a week in my day, which was plenty. They didn’t carry the baby or breast feed. Think it would be pointless & would cost far too much to implement

NotANotMan Sat 02-Mar-19 14:51:15

Parents can share their legal entitlement of parental leave between them (apart from the legal minimum of 6 weeks that the mother gets as she needs to recover from the birth)
Why would two parents need a paid year off each?
I definitely think that the second parent should get more than 2 weeks SMP. It's pathetic.

FoggyDay58 Sat 02-Mar-19 14:51:27

At my DH's work (big UK company) they've recently given men and women parity of parental leave. I'm self-employed so he's taking six months off (full pay; if he took the rest of "our" entitlement he'd get much less for that time, same as a woman would) when our baby is due in May. It does exist! But I don't think companies will ever encourage parental leave allowing both parents to be off for a year. The best we can ask for is parity for men and women.

mrsm43s Sat 02-Mar-19 14:51:39

The problem is, that unless its paid at full pay, then most families can't afford to have both parents off on reduced pay.

I'd far rather 2-4 weeks paternity on full pay, combined with the option to share maternity than 12 weeks paternity on SPP.

FoggyDay58 Sat 02-Mar-19 14:53:18

Oh and the basic paternity pay (ie when the mother is taking the longer parental leave) is six weeks, rather than the standard two, at full pay. Easier for bigger companies to afford all this I suppose!

Procrastination4 Sat 02-Mar-19 14:53:19

They haven’t gone through the physical changes the woman has gone through, and consequently they don’t need any time to recover from that and the birthing process.
So no, can’t see why they should be entitled to the same amount of leave the mum.

BikeRunSki Sat 02-Mar-19 14:53:24

Shared parental leave has been around for a few years now. There is legislation about how long women have to have off post-birth to recover, but it’s fairly minimal (2 weeks or 6 weeks for a manual job I think), but other time can be shared. It’s not usually necessary for both parents to be off work at once.

PrincessScarlett Sat 02-Mar-19 14:54:17

You don't need to get pregnant, give birth and breastfeed to be entitled to maternity leave. My friend adopted and she was entitled to a maternity leave.

ILoveMaxiBondi Sat 02-Mar-19 14:54:41

Well for starters men don’t need to recover from 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth which may include major abdominal surgery.

trancepants Sat 02-Mar-19 14:56:04

Because my husband’s recovery from my c-section, nearly stopped heart, massive blood loss and pregnancy hernia took zero days. He also managed to suffer very little exhaustion from breastfeeding and my nipple thrush didn’t seem to cause him any pain at all.confused

Seriously, what a stupid post.

cucumbergin Sat 02-Mar-19 14:56:05

Surely birth complications are even more reason for men to get longer paternity, so they can look after the mother and allow her to recover properly? Especially with older toddlers to run after.

DP did everything except breastfeed in the two weeks paternity he got. It made a massive difference.

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