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To wonder why Sajid Jarvis was so quick to remove Shamima Begum’s British nationality

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MrsSchadenfreude Fri 22-Feb-19 15:54:05

But has done nothing about removing Asma Assad’s? Asma Assad is a dual British-Syrian National, so why not deprive her (and her kids) of British nationality? I can’t quite believe that the government hasn’ Done this. Why on Earth not?

Lysistrataknowsherstuff Fri 22-Feb-19 16:01:12

Nothing has been done about Jack Letts, who is a dual British-Canadian citizen and currently in a Kurdish prison for fighting with ISIS.

Nothing has been done about Samantha Lewthwaite, widow of one of the 7/7 bombers and now one of the world's most wanted terrorists, accused of masterminding the deaths of over 400 people.

SB is an easy target, that's why. Who's more a threat, a child bride or the wife of a dictator with chemical weapons? It's been done to appeal to the populist vote and unfortunately it has support (even though it's blatantly illegal under international law).

Fabaunt Fri 22-Feb-19 16:03:25

Because she’s a terrorist scumbag who left here to join ISIS killing people in Syria? Fuck her, to be honest.

Sirzy Fri 22-Feb-19 16:04:15

Because their is so much media attention and public hatred and he wanted to make himself look good?

SoupDragon Fri 22-Feb-19 16:04:46

*Because she’s a terrorist scumbag"

She's a British terrorist scumbag.

Gth1234 Fri 22-Feb-19 16:05:27

Low hanging fruit. Just because she's the first doesn't make it wrong.

RedWineIsFabulous Fri 22-Feb-19 16:06:47

YABVU

For fucks sake. All this support for her but thankfully only on here makes me feel sick.

StealthPolarBear Fri 22-Feb-19 16:07:25

I'm amazed they've not tried to justify how. Given she has as much claim to Bangladeshi citizenship as I do and I'm not aware of any other claims (Dutch - is her marriage even recognised?) .
And even if she did have a claim on Bangladeshi citizenship is that really what we as a country want to do? Leap in quick and dump our scum on others on a technicality. if you snooze you lose.

meorhim20 Fri 22-Feb-19 16:07:27

populist move and easy prey. nothing else otherwise lots of others would have been stripped of their passports too.

Lysistrataknowsherstuff Fri 22-Feb-19 16:07:26

She's not the first, just the first to be left stateless in violation of our own laws.

So yes, that does make it wrong.

StealthPolarBear Fri 22-Feb-19 16:07:57

This is getting boring. who is supporting her?

Tomtontom Fri 22-Feb-19 16:08:00

Posturing. Distracting from Brexit. Trying to make the HO look good after the (ongoing) Windrush scandal.

Politics.

StealthPolarBear Fri 22-Feb-19 16:08:35

What are the implications of being stateless by the way? In general, as well as in this situation.

recrudescence Fri 22-Feb-19 16:08:52

Sajid Javid would like to be the next leader of the Conservative Party.

MeredithGrey1 Fri 22-Feb-19 16:10:04

Posturing. Distracting from Brexit. Trying to make the HO look good after the (ongoing) Windrush scandal.

Politics.

Yep. And he probably has an eye on a future Tory leadership race as well.

whymewhynow Fri 22-Feb-19 16:10:04

He wants to be seen to have acted tough on her. I am sure he knows that there is every chance that his decision will be overturned in the courts but then he can hold up his hands and say, "Not my fault." I do wonder if the way he is treating her is, in part, because he is from a Muslim family and feels he has to overcompensate to win over Tories - and others - who are automatically suspicious of him because of this.

Tomtontom Fri 22-Feb-19 16:10:59

@RedWineIsFabulous No one is supporting her. What people are doing is speaking out about what appears to be a violation of her rights. And if they can do that to one person they can do it to the rest of us.

You can despise someone's (alleged) crimes, but still respect the rule of law.

Annandale Fri 22-Feb-19 16:11:16

Because Sajid Javid wants to be prime minister and is completely untrustworthy. He knows it's illegal and will get slapped down by the courts, while he can pose with seriousface about how he is being stopped from implementing the will of the people by those pesky judges.

Support for her? I think she's quite likely to be a dangerous terrorist and I want her deradicalised and under surveillance. But who the fuck wants a Home Secretary whose attitude to the law is to treat it like a handy piss bucket?

RedWineIsFabulous Fri 22-Feb-19 16:11:33

All I can say is thank fuck your dear beloved lefty friend Diane Abbott isn’t Home Secretary.

Makes my blood run cold just thinking about it.

SinglePringle Fri 22-Feb-19 16:13:24

In order that the decision to allow her to remain a British citizen is carried out by the judiciary system and not the Government. The HO knew Bangladesh would deny she was their citizen, that she would appeal and it would/will be upheld.

By kicking it into the long grass, the HO (SJ) look like they are 'taking a stand' but they are merely manipulating the population and going for the public vote. They are also distracting from Brexit.

She will be allowed back to the UK (because legally she is allowed to be) but it'll be under the cover of darkness and under-reported, as there will be some other story hitting the headlines by that time.

SwedishEdith Fri 22-Feb-19 16:15:00

Distraction, timing, to get the Brexiters riled up about immigration again, to overcompensate for Tory party anti-Muslim issues in his own bid for leader? So many reasons. None to do with her being more of a threat than others in similar situations.

FamilyOfAliens Fri 22-Feb-19 16:17:32

Well I’ll be interested to find out if he’s able to carry out that threat once a legal challenge is launched.

Someone on another thread said it reminded them of Ed Balls sacking Sharon Shoesmith on TV - she was awarded shitloads of compensation some years later.

Coyoacan Fri 22-Feb-19 16:17:56

I'm against the principle of removing someone's citizenship. If they can do it to one, they can do it to all.

They should try her if she has commit a crime.

Cobmum Fri 22-Feb-19 16:18:21

He needs to ‘look’ good because he absolutely isn’t. He’s awful. Self, self self. She’s in the media. Even my 9 year old knows her name. So an example has to be made. Rightly or wrongly. Nothing illegal about it if she’s Bangladeshi (and possibly Dutch).

penisbeakers Fri 22-Feb-19 16:19:39

It's because he's a massive arse.

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