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AIBU to think well yeah it was always a stupid idea!

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CosmicCanary Sun 10-Feb-19 20:34:18

Trans related thread

According to the daily mail trans wings will now exist in prisons.

Karen Whites sexual assault of 2 women possibly 4 has apparently crossed the line.
There were I believe incidents of sexual assault of female prisoners by transwomen before this but they were ignored.

AIBU to be angry that women in female only spaces need to have multiple assaults against them by males before somebody says oops we got it wrong!!

2cats2many Sun 10-Feb-19 20:39:02

YANBU.

The initial stupid idea of housing TW in the women's estate came from the whole TWAW bullshit.

I'm hoping that this is a notable point in a common sense fight back and we'll be seeing more decisions like this.

zeroSum Mon 11-Feb-19 04:14:45

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2cats2many Mon 11-Feb-19 06:46:59

Men are far more likely to be abused by females in prison

Do you want to elaborate on that zeroSum?

SexNotJenga Mon 11-Feb-19 07:00:47

zeroSum

Link to evidence, please.

Ghanagirl Mon 11-Feb-19 07:01:08

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Men are far more likely to abused by females in prison that vice versa.

Ghanagirl Mon 11-Feb-19 07:02:17

Sent to soon.
Can you explain this *@zeroSum

ThumbWitchesAbroad Mon 11-Feb-19 07:29:14

If zerosum had said that men are far more likely THAN women to be abused in prison, that would have made sense. What was actually written made no sense at all.

SnuggyBuggy Mon 11-Feb-19 07:31:28

The whole male bodied people who identify as women are identical to real women is laughably bizarre.

CosmicCanary Mon 11-Feb-19 07:31:32

Transmen are female zero and prisons are sex segregated so they will go to a female one unless they choose to go to a trans wing I suppose.

Not sure what you mean by this Men are far more likely to abused by females in prison that vice versa.

dorisdog Mon 11-Feb-19 07:33:28

Transwomen are women. Why would they be put on a separate wing? Shall we start separating women out into other made up groups, too? How about short women? Or red haired women?

DameIfYouDo Mon 11-Feb-19 07:34:42

I'd need to see the woman on woman violence stats compared to transwoman on woman stats to comment on this.

PumpedUpTermite Mon 11-Feb-19 07:35:08

Goodness me Doris being porn with a penis is a tad different to being bloody ginger!

CosmicCanary Mon 11-Feb-19 07:35:31

Transwomen are women.

Are they female doris?

PumpedUpTermite Mon 11-Feb-19 07:35:35

BORN. Not porn blush
It’s too early for this shit.

CosmicCanary Mon 11-Feb-19 07:36:19

Dame why would that make a difference?

Witchend Mon 11-Feb-19 07:36:50

If men are more likely to abuse others in prison, then of course more men will be abused in prison because up till now men couldn't abuse women.
I suspect if prisons has always been mixed then that wouldn't be true.

DameIfYouDo Mon 11-Feb-19 07:38:54

Well it makes a difference because if it's only making headlines because the perpetrators were trans, then that's not fair. If transwomen violence against women in prisons is higher than woman on women, then yes, it needs to be looked at.

CosmicCanary Mon 11-Feb-19 07:44:30

Dame it was sexual assault committed by Karen White with their penis against females in a female prison.
Just because females can be violent towards each other does not mean males should be allowed to sexually assault them...or do you think it does?

zeroSum Mon 11-Feb-19 07:52:30

@Ghanagirl
@2cats2many
@SexNotJenga

I'll elaborate, explain and link to studies.

I meant, men are more likely to abused by women in prison than women are by men. In short, female prison officers are much more likely to sexually abuse male prisoners than male officers are to abuse female prisoners.

I believe there are several reasons for this. Toxic femininity is one. Women often don't believe that what they do is "as bad" when it comes to sexual assault. All to often I read replies on MN along the lines of "when men don't kill their partners at a rate of x a week then I'll care" etc. Because so many of us read these sentiments time and time again, we begin to believe that men are bad and whilst they maybe don't deserve to be abused, they certainly don't deserve any sympathy because we're the oppressed sex. My eldest son is a part-time bouncer (at Uni) and I'm frequently shocked by the tales he tells. Women grabbing his crotch, grabbing male customers, walking up to them and kissing them - all because we're told time and time again that men are all desperate for sex and being touched sexually and should be grateful for female interest. I think that this continues into prisons.
Another reason, I suspect is the massive imbalance between the sexes created by vocal feminists. We believe you etc. Painting women as victims of "the patriarchy" with the flipside being that men can't be victims. They're "in power".

So, links.

Although this is a study from 2005, Inmate-on-inmate sexual victimisation is significantly higher for women. 212 per 1,000 as opposed to 43 per 1,000 for men.

the perpetrators of sexual assaults against female inmates, compared to male inmates, are less likely to involve staff.

^the vast majority of perpetrators of sexual assaults were of the opposite sex to their victims"

link

it makes some very interesting reading. Maybe not for those who like act like men are a threat - Schroedinger's rapists.

So, women are more likely to be sexually assaulted by other female prisoners. Men are more likely to be sexually assaulted by female officers. Who is the threat?

zeroSum Mon 11-Feb-19 07:59:42

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CosmicCanary Mon 11-Feb-19 08:04:35

Thank you for replying zero.

However that post and the link has nothing to do with a male being housed in a female prison which led to the sexual assault of 2 females.

AuntieCJ Mon 11-Feb-19 08:05:18

I think doris is stirring, no one really thinks like that.

birdsdestiny Mon 11-Feb-19 08:11:08

So if women are soo dangerous, why do we sex segregate at all. Surely we should have mixed prisons.

DodoPatrol Mon 11-Feb-19 08:11:42

That link doesn’t work

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