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joystir59 Sun 27-Jan-19 12:08:53

Leaving Neverland, being shown at the Sundance film festival and in the spring on Channel 4....I love his music and have believed he was vilified by the racist media, and by greedy individuals and families after his money; but am really not so sure of his innocence any more. I guess that's my aibu- that we have to listen to his accusers don't we? I was sexually abused as a ternager, and not believed. It was a profoundly damaging experience.

Firstworddinosaur Sun 27-Jan-19 12:26:50

I'm a massive fan of his music. Grew up adoring him, all the albums all the videos. He's never been found guilty by a court as far as I know?

However, I think he's guilty as sin. And the people around him must have known too. Just awful for his victims. I've not seen the new documentary, harrowing.

joystir59 Sun 27-Jan-19 12:37:05

The documentary won't be broadcast on TV until the spring here in the UK. I was born a year after MJ so related to him and his music child to child. He was electricity. So very talented, and he grew up in an environment and an era where his emerging paedophilia was probably totally ignored by those responsible for raising him-no one talked about stuff like that back then. No one went for psychotherapy. Later on he would have just been pandered to- people just wanted him to continue to produce music and to keep on performing and being their cash cow.

joystir59 Sun 27-Jan-19 12:37:58

And no, he has never been convicted by a court of law but I just think there is too much smoke

Member984815 Sun 27-Jan-19 12:42:19

I was a fan too but truly believe he is guilty , the men in the documentary have nothing to gain from talking now

WhoWants2Know Sun 27-Jan-19 12:52:08

I think he was certainly a damaged individual and the way he lived reflected some serious pathology.

SuziQ10 Sun 27-Jan-19 13:25:30

Huge respect for MJ's music but he obviously had some extreme issues.
I don't doubt the alleged victims and I can't listen to MJ's music anymore. I just don't want to hear it, despite his talent & I feel a bit strange when people say what big fans they are of his.

VeryLittleOwl Sun 27-Jan-19 14:12:46

The documentary's being shown at the end of next month in the UK, I think. I have a journalist as a client who saw it at Sundance and has just interviewed Wade Robson and James Safechuck.

greendale17 Sun 27-Jan-19 14:13:49

I believe he was guilty too.

thornyhousewife Sun 27-Jan-19 14:17:37

Yeah I didn't really have any feelings either way as to his guilt, but now I think it's extremely unlikely that he wasn't a child abuser.

He had an alarm system on his bedroom door.

SauvignonMum Sun 27-Jan-19 14:17:47

It's deeply disturbing sad

Tellem2 Sun 27-Jan-19 14:27:17

The family that framed him alleging that he did something wrong confessed and said it was all for the money before he died, the kid that lied committed suicide. MJ was never able to wash off the suspected pervert image because one family wanted to make a cheap buck. This is not about raising awareness, it's riding the wave of let's see who else we can vilify. Whilst the real perppretators THAT ARE Alive continue to hide in plain sight. Now they're trying to taint him again in his deathbed. (Along with several other successful black males may I add but R Kelly and Co are a different story).

abeautifulmess1234 Sun 27-Jan-19 14:29:13

I loved he's music too but I 100% believe that he is as guilty as sin

brizzledrizzle Sun 27-Jan-19 14:32:02

He was as bad as Jimmy Saville IMO.

feelingverylazytoday Sun 27-Jan-19 14:33:29

Tellem what us your explanation as to why an adult male slept in the same bed with unrelated children ?
I can't think of a single innocent reason why he would want to do that.

Stygimoloch Sun 27-Jan-19 14:35:04

www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/25/michael-jackson-documentary-leaving-neverland?CMP=fb_gu

I read this article about the documentary yesterday. It’s sounds very harrowing and detailed.

GrimDamnFanjo Sun 27-Jan-19 14:42:40

I always felt that he cultivated his Peter Pan image to conceal abusing children, much like Savile and his charity work.
The media also printed many stories about MJ having had no real childhood, having been abused by his father etc and this made it easier for people to cast him as eccentric and being a big kid rather than being a criminal.
Pay offs to children who came forward also concealed the truth As he was able to hide behind suggestions of blackmail and gold digging.

SummerStrong Sun 27-Jan-19 14:42:51

Also agree there's a lot of smoke....it never goes away.

However, the family that accused him were lying and after his money, and he was never found guilty. It was so obvious in the court case. He was very odd and eccentric and also very lonely, so an easy target.

I am interested to watch the latest documentary as these men (victims?) have nothing to gain now by speaking out, so I can only surmise that they are telling the truth.

WantRapunzelLocks Sun 27-Jan-19 14:44:54

I'm not sure what to believe. I don't want to believe it, but I guess there is no way of knowing either way?

For those of you saying they have nothing to gain... of course they do! Lots and lots of money from interviews and this documentary?!

Sadiesnakes Sun 27-Jan-19 14:48:50

* *The family that framed him alleging that he did something wrong confessed and said it was all for the money before he died, the kid that lied committed suicide. MJ was never able to wash off the suspected pervert image because one family wanted to make a cheap buck. This is not about raising awareness, it's riding the wave of let's see who else we can vilify. Whilst the real perppretators THAT ARE Alive continue to hide in plain sight. Now they're trying to taint him again in his deathbed. (Along with several other successful black males may I add but R Kelly and Co are a different story).

Delusional, it's crazy just because he was Michael Jackson people are still prepared to ignore all the evidence brought towards him over the years. The police that lost that court case against him years ago gave a statement saying they'd no doubt in their mind Michael Jackson was guilty as sin.

the kid that lied* committed suicide.* This is a disgusting thing to say, this person was so effected by what happened he took his own life, and you call him a Liar?

Along with several other successful black males may I add but R Kelly and Co are a different story).

This has nothing to do with race? And it's crazy to bring this into it, #Metoo is inclusive of ALL sex offenders, regardless of colour.

Most people now, even his most die hard fans, know Michael Jackson was a Paedophile.

Next you'll be saying Jimmy Seville can't defend himself because he's deceased too...hmm

frankiesamson Sun 27-Jan-19 14:53:32

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Princess1066 Sun 27-Jan-19 14:53:52

Well said Sadie

CaptainKirksSpookyghost Sun 27-Jan-19 14:56:35

It's obvious he really liked boys, and when they got to about 15 he would dump them and move on to another child.
He also shared his bed with them, if it was any other adult would we be questioning it?

MinisterforCheekyFuckery Sun 27-Jan-19 14:57:30

For those of you saying they have nothing to gain... of course they do! Lots and lots of money from interviews and this documentary?!

They weren't paid a fee for the documentary.

mrwalkensir Sun 27-Jan-19 14:57:35

Vanity Fair followed the trial. At the end they chatted to the jurors who pretty much all seemed to think that he was guilty, but found him "not" as they figured it was more the parents' fault for leaving their children with him. The parents knew he was probably dodgy, but fame and money won them over

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