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TwittleBee Sun 27-Jan-19 07:00:13

Our DGrandad left me and my sister his woodland when he passed away a few years ago. It isn't anything that special (as in its not protected and hasn't any distinguished species) but does have a TPO on a couple of trees. It is a place that my sister and I visit occasionally and thought that perhaps we could use it as a place to "wild camp" with the kids this summer for a few weekends. Even had insipiration from what George Clark created in a piece of woodland in his series Amazing Spaces and thought maybe one day with enough money we could do the same.

Anyway, we went down there this weekend to have a look to see if we could maybe clear a patch for a good tent destination, Thought it be good to do this now before everything starts flourishing in the spring.

To our shock it's all been fenced off and there has been some very obvious clearing of trees and shrubs! We knocked on the nearest house to ask what's happened to our woodland and the couple that lived there informed us that they have now taken it as their own and have started keeping it in order for past couple months. They said that it now makes our land legally theirs?

Obviously we shall be seeking legal advice but in the meantime, can what they claim actually be correct?

Just seems so unfair? Surely that would mean I could just fence off any land and claim it as my own?

BlackCatSleeping Sun 27-Jan-19 09:09:02

That's really shocking!!

I hope it can sorted, OP.

mobyduck Sun 27-Jan-19 09:12:55

I think you have lost it. it has been neglected for decades and they have started to do something with it without anyone noticing- I think there is some planning rule that means it is theirs by default now.

MissMaisel Sun 27-Jan-19 09:14:11

Don’t be ridiculous Moby it’s only been two months!

peridito Sun 27-Jan-19 09:14:13

So glad you have deeds (hope they are not ambigious ) .

The land grabbers sound bonkers .

I know a lot of posters are suggesting a DIY approach but I don't think you should .Some solicitors will give a free 30 mins advice .I don't think it will be an expensive process as the neighbours can't claim possession by sticking a fence up for a few months .

If you want to research first I much prefer Lemon Fools for legal advice ( it is mainly about investment but has a good legal section )
www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=92d56c77755680295423a6ce40997a55

BlackCatSleeping Sun 27-Jan-19 09:16:14

They definitely haven't lost it.

Let's say my neighbors go on holiday for 2 months. I can't just put a fence around their garden and claim it as my own even if it was neglected.

MereDintofPandiculation Sun 27-Jan-19 09:16:31

We did tell them we had the deeds to the land but they said that didn't mean anything as they now looked after it and had fenced it? That would mean that if you tended your elderly neighbour's garden you could start claiming it as yours!

I think you have lost it. it has been neglected for decades and they have started to do something with it without anyone noticing- I think there is some planning rule that means it is theirs by default now. She has noticed. She's been visiting every couple of months, the fence has gone up since November. The planning rules relate to adverse possession and other posters have been explaining those.

gaia Sun 27-Jan-19 09:18:25

As others have said, the first thing I would do is check your TPO then contact the tree preservation team at the council to let them know someone has trespassed and cut down trees. Then just remove the fence and return it to them. It isn’t their land so they have no right to fence it, I certainly wouldn’t leave the fence in place for any longer.

nottakingthisanymore Sun 27-Jan-19 09:19:59

Op- whatever happens PLEASE UPDATE. I don’t want it to be one of those threads when we never find out what happened in the end.

Biologifemini Sun 27-Jan-19 09:20:20

They been watching ‘hampstead’ and missed the point.
I’d take the fence done myself and send a strongly worded letter!

Hoopaloop Sun 27-Jan-19 09:20:52

Moby, if the land is now forfeited (it won't be), I'd be finding a small, quiet area on their property and putting a small fence around 1m2 or so, perhaps using playmobil plastic fences. Then I'd play the long. Maybe I'll expand the fencing to 2m2. Eventually, I'll have enough space to fit a concrete base large enough to support a flagpole. Then I'd raise the flag printed with dicks.

MNOverinvestor Sun 27-Jan-19 09:21:41

Shamelessly placemarking for an update on this shameless behaviour...

Hoopaloop Sun 27-Jan-19 09:21:50

*play the long game

Iloveautumnleaves Sun 27-Jan-19 09:21:59

Deluded muppets.

I would have been cross enough at the fencing, but the clearing and tree chopping would have made me furious. I’d be pushing the compensation to the max.

lottiegarbanzo Sun 27-Jan-19 09:22:42

Legal advice pronto. Of course they can't do this - at least so fast.

But, woodland needs active management. It's not a good idea to leave it alone, then think only of camping. Even the 'ordinary wildlife' that lives in an unremarkable piece of woodland relies on regular intervention, especially with a small wood. In that sense, the neighbours have done the right thing (though they probably wanted firewood, coppice materials and the adverse possession too!).

Once you've resolved the legal issues, get yourself some advice from the Foresty Commission and look up the local Wildlife Trust and the Woodland Trust for management advice. There may be small grants you can claim, if you undertake the right regular work. Or, they can advise on the most wildlife-friendly approach to benign neglect.

JohnnyKarate Sun 27-Jan-19 09:23:30

Wow some people have no shame! Good luck OP I feel you may need it!

SoupDragon Sun 27-Jan-19 09:24:20

Absolutely notplacemarking.

Cheeky fuckers!

Aridane Sun 27-Jan-19 09:25:05

Legal advice!

lottiegarbanzo Sun 27-Jan-19 09:25:25

Btw, the one time I needed a litigation solicitor, they acted on a no-win-no-fee basis, because they'd assessed the case as winnable. We 'won' (out of court settlement), they got paid. These were reputable solicitors I approached, not ambulance chasers.

Greenkit Sun 27-Jan-19 09:26:07

Actual CFF

Hoopaloop Sun 27-Jan-19 09:27:09

In that sense, the neighbours have done the right thing

You have absolutely no idea how the neighbours have managed the woodland.

TwittleBee Sun 27-Jan-19 09:27:11

Okay just to update. We will be seeking legal action asap this week and shall get someone in to secure the woodland from the neighbours and put a gate we can access into the fence.

We shall also investigate to see exactly what has been ripped out.

Bit nervous about the TPOs!

Surely if they have been felled then a felling company would have checked first or at least have records that it was the neighbours that contracted the work and not us?

I will provide updates as progress is made

MeetJoeTurquoise Sun 27-Jan-19 09:27:31

I need to know what happens here.

I'll be informing my father too that he wasted money doing things the legal way when he took over some abandoned land, he could've just said it was his!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 27-Jan-19 09:27:43

shock With that level of CFery I wouldnt DIY but go straight in with a lawyer and aggressively. (And keep the fence they kindly erected for you wink).

JudgeRulesNutterButter Sun 27-Jan-19 09:28:12

Op- whatever happens PLEASE UPDATE. I don’t want it to be one of those threads when we never find out what happened in the end.

^^ This!

Lollyice Sun 27-Jan-19 09:28:26

Our neighbours used some land at the bottom of the garden as an allotment. After a couple of years we did the same. It belonged to the railway and was eventually sold off.
Our neighbours kept their plot as they had proof they had tended it for 12 years. We lost ours as we had only had it for 10 years.
Your neighbours are out of order. Go and take the fence down.

JudgeRulesNutterButter Sun 27-Jan-19 09:28:43

Oh sorry OP, cross post blush

XmasPostmanBos Sun 27-Jan-19 09:28:58

I would do things officially despite the costs.

HJWT Sun 27-Jan-19 09:30:30

Reading this gave me a headache it made me so mad 😂

Nativityriot Sun 27-Jan-19 09:30:34

This thread is giving me chills that someone could just do that! What goes on in people’s head!!!! Photograph EVERYTHING with date stamps before you remove anything.

So is there no gate at all on the fencing? How do they get access to it?

Coalasblack Sun 27-Jan-19 09:32:08

How you resisted the temptation to laugh in their face and say 'yeah thats not a thing' and then rip the fence up I don't know.

CuriousaboutSamphire Sun 27-Jan-19 09:33:04

Don't be nervous. Just contact the council first thing tomorrow and tell them how shocked you are that this has been done on your land without your knowledge! Once you have explained the situation they will be helpful.

And yes. If you find that a tree with a TPO has been felled you can have some comeback on whoever cut it.

Ask the council's officer for his help with that too! You never know he may have time and inclination to help you chase it up. Some do, some don't. You won't know until you ask! When MIL had an issue with a neighbour hacking at an oak tree, hundreds of year sold, with a TPO our local officer was rushed off his feet, but allocated his trainee to work through the whole 'book' to throw at the neighbour. MIL was worried as the tree was on her property, but the officer was very clear she was not going to be held liable!

The tree survived... smile

XmasPostmanBos Sun 27-Jan-19 09:33:26

The funny thing is I was just thinking how lovely it would be to own a little plot of woodland. Didnt think of CF neighbours stealing it though!

Beamur Sun 27-Jan-19 09:34:12

There is no way they can claim your land after 2 months simply by fencing it off. I'd echo all the advice about getting a solicitor to write to them. Once you have access check if they've damaged any trees with TPO's. Might be worth checking first to see how liability for that lies.
If the liability is with the person who has damaged the tree (rather than the landowner) then you could also ask your local Council for advice (about the trees not the access) as they can prosecute for damage to TPO'd trees.

C0untDucku1a Sun 27-Jan-19 09:34:28

Absolutely disgraceful!

CommanderShepard Sun 27-Jan-19 09:36:41

Definitely not marking my place or anything.

Such cheeky fuckery!

Percy11 Sun 27-Jan-19 09:37:03

Outrageous behaviour. Good luck Op.

lottiegarbanzo Sun 27-Jan-19 09:39:01

The TPOs will be on big trees. They've probably thinned out smaller saplings and maybe coppiced small trees.

If they have taken out mature trees, that's much more like / is theft, of valuable firewood. There are also regulations about cutting down large trees (you need to be a qualified person to do it). A reputable contractor will have checked for TPOs. So I don't think those are your going to be your issue here.

TheClaifeCrier Sun 27-Jan-19 09:39:23

Oh my goodness. The cheek! The law is on your side OP. Personally I'd be going down there today and ripping the fence down. Could always call the police if they get aggressive.

AnnettePrice Sun 27-Jan-19 09:40:19

What so many have failed to understand, it a wood. It’s not a bowling green.
It does not need daily, weekly or even monthly maintenance.
The perpetrators are totally chancing it or deranged.
If they are the latter then it might become a nasty battle OP, good luck.
Also, though it might be green belt now. There are plans in a lot of places to potentially add more houses around green belt area and sometimes into. The fact that it is land next to an existing property makes me wonder if planning permission could be granted on that land in a few years. Maybe about 12ish from now hmm and these people are speculating.
OP, contact the council to find out what is going on, what are the plans for house building in the area for the future.
Depending on where this wood is, the perpetrators could be planning to steal land that will be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if not millions.

RitaMills Sun 27-Jan-19 09:41:08

Cheeky fuckers! I’m so angry on your behalf. Please come back and update us, genuinely interested in how this pans out.

Maelstrop Sun 27-Jan-19 09:45:29

They can't just claim it because they've fenced it. It takes years and some legal action to claim rights. They're idiots. Investigate criminal damage to your property.

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon Sun 27-Jan-19 09:47:14

Sounds like your neighbour is off their tree op!!

AlwaysSunnyInLiverpool Sun 27-Jan-19 09:47:57

I read about a similar case near my parents recently (not involving a couple of months, a couple of years) , not only were the thieves told to put it right, as in, hand back the land, remove fencing and pay compensation so that it could be put back into the original state... It ended up with a criminal prosecution for the guy too because they were then convicted of some sort of intimidation by the police too (against the owner of the land who'd had to involve lawyers to get it resolved).

Good luck OP, these people are really just scumbags hoping to deprive you of your grandfather's bequest and your children of wonderful access to their own small bit of woodland.

Cuttingthegrass Sun 27-Jan-19 09:48:59

Hope it's quickly sorted out.

Petalflowers Sun 27-Jan-19 09:49:01

Wow, cf to the highest level.

Slipperboots Sun 27-Jan-19 09:49:48

Amazing CF!

AdaMcGrath Sun 27-Jan-19 09:49:55

Hi, I’m a former property litigator (moved practice because I couldn’t take this kind of CFery any more!)

You need a property litigator to look at this. The timeframe you’re talking about means they can’t have acquired title to the land. The amount of time needed is a bit more complex than others have set out and it depends on whether the land is registered at HM Land Registry or not and whe; it was registered there.

The fence is their property come what may. The advice would usually be send a letter with copy evidence of your ownership and tell them they are to remove the fence within x days (say 14 but it depends on how much fence there actually is and you need to appear reasonable should it ever end up in front of a judge). If they don’t remove the fence you do it making sure you don’t damage it and then put it back on their land. I’d then erect your own fence to make it clear where the boundaries are.

You’ll also need the solicitor to check the trees subject to the TPO. It you might be able to get that information yourself if you phone the local authority and explain what’s happened. Lots of photographic evidence is always really helpful.

Finally your Solicitor’s letter will be making it clear that if you have to bring enforcement action that they will be liable for the costs of that.

Hope that’s helpful. Cheeky bastards! My most favourite one l8ke this was a bloke in South Wales who put up a fancy wall over the course of a weekend to bloke access to a public road. He claimed it had been there for years even though my clients had photos of the access from a week earlier when there had been no wall at all. Some people just are CF. Good luck.

Oliversmumsarmy Sun 27-Jan-19 09:50:23

We had this with a small bit of land that was attached to our house. We used it for 12 years without anyone saying we couldn’t. Then we applied for it to be a part of our property.
It was a bit of scrubland that just fitted our car on.
Nobody owned it as it was missed off all plans so it became part of the house.

I think they heard through the grapevine your dgf had died and chanced their arm that the ownership would be lost.

GooodMythicalMorning Sun 27-Jan-19 09:50:55

shock cfery at its worst

NoFucksImAQueen Sun 27-Jan-19 09:51:19

oh my good how did you not rip their head off! some people really have a nerve I would definitely get any financial claim you can from them for cutting down your trees, the cheeky bastards

ohreallyohreallyoh Sun 27-Jan-19 09:53:14

Shamelessly place marking. Sounds like legally you won’t have any issues, OP. Put it in the hands of a solicitor. Good luck.

sollyfromsurrey Sun 27-Jan-19 09:53:41

What are these people like? I want to picture them!!! Are they weird nerdy people or aggressive angry people or sung self righteous people? Wealthy or poor? How old are they? Some people are just crazy.

SaltedIceCream Sun 27-Jan-19 09:53:59

Just go and take there fences down. It’s not there’s. End of.

clairedelalune Sun 27-Jan-19 09:54:33

So, my neighbour went into a home 12 months ago. Her family visit every couple of months and another neighbour, with permission of the family use the drive for a car that would otherwise be on the road. I occasionally cut the grass when i do my own. So we can all claim the house then???? I didn't think so.
Really hope you get this sorted soon

Monny1 Sun 27-Jan-19 09:55:03

I hope that you get this sorted.

ambereeree Sun 27-Jan-19 09:55:04

Crikey that's just insane.

WhoKnewBeefStew Sun 27-Jan-19 09:56:39

AdaMcGrath has good advice. Seek professional legal advice, as you said you would do, and take it from there

I’m honestly bob smacked at the CF of some people

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets Sun 27-Jan-19 09:58:12

This is amazing. We live next to woodland, I think I might just start claiming I own it.

BuffaloCauliflower Sun 27-Jan-19 10:00:17

I just want to say how much I love Mumsnet and all the random knowledge it’s members have. I knew nothing about woodland maintenance until today.

OP - go in with the lawyers, they’re clearly cheeky fuckers hoping you won’t know how to fight and will go away.

cupoftea84 Sun 27-Jan-19 10:00:58

Do you have photos of it without the fence and more teas/ bushes? If so take pictures of what they done and report them to the police for criminal damage. If they say it's a civil issue explain it is not your property had been damaged without your permission. Very simple.
Your probate solicitor should be able to help or direct you to someone more specialised.
I hope it gets sorted- let us know what happens.

Movinghouseatlast Sun 27-Jan-19 10:01:07

I would start with my own letter first. The gov.org site is brilliant for outlying the law, which you can quote. Give them.7 days to remove the fences. I wouldn't bother asking them.for the trees back, or money, as you will get yourself into a legal wrangle which will be stressful and cost you!

A solicitors letter will be £300 plus so you might as well save this first fee.

Adverse possession is, as others have said, only achieved after 10 years so they don't have a leg to stand on.

If they ignore you or refute what you say then get a solicitor. Unfortunately it will be expensive if they don't give in.

If they have felled a tree with a TPO the tell the council and let them.deal with it.

SaturdayNext Sun 27-Jan-19 10:01:11

We did tell them we had the deeds to the land but they said that didn't mean anything as they now looked after it and had fenced it?

If that were true, we could all fence off our neighbours' gardens and claim they were ours. It's manifestly nonsense. I hope you're out there taking lots of photos?

CuriousaboutSamphire Sun 27-Jan-19 10:01:58

Just go and take there fences down. It’s not there’s. End of. No! Don't. The fence does belong to them! You'd ruin any legal goodwill if you did that!

Take AdaMcGrath's advice and let the law take its course. They have no legal rights here!

Calzone Sun 27-Jan-19 10:03:28

Lots of knowledgeable people on here.

Can’t wait to find out what happens.

pictish Sun 27-Jan-19 10:03:32

I hope you get this sorted out quickly. It does sound absolutely insane tbh. They’re triers that’s for sure. Go wipe the floor with them!

ragged Sun 27-Jan-19 10:03:41

Please come back & update us later. x

Heyha Sun 27-Jan-19 10:04:31

Good on you, stand your ground. They are trying to bluff you into backing down. Definitely find out what you can about TPO, an email to the council's tree person to enquire as to which trees are protected and to explain why you need to know will probably get them a scary knock on the door before your solicitor's letter even arrives (you could do that email today).

What's the betting they have had a wood burner installed and are thinking they are getting a lifetime of free logs by being CF?

Puddingmama2017 Sun 27-Jan-19 10:07:39

I definitely need to know how this one ends!

feltcarrot Sun 27-Jan-19 10:08:21

How fab to own your own woodland, OP how big is it and do you live nearby (sheer CF nosiness)?

Aaaahfuck Sun 27-Jan-19 10:08:40

They probably hoped that if they started looking after it and claiming if for their own they would have a chance at getting rights over the land.

angieloumc Sun 27-Jan-19 10:09:08

How shocking and totally cheeky of those people! I hope you get it sorted ASAP.

Newtonthehorizon Sun 27-Jan-19 10:10:39

<creeps onto thread, erects fence, creeps out>

mogloveseggs Sun 27-Jan-19 10:12:58

shock

Maelstrop Sun 27-Jan-19 10:14:02

<creeps onto thread, erects fence, creeps out>

Ha ha, brilliant! 😂

diddl Sun 27-Jan-19 10:14:36

It looks as though they've been monitoring your visits & jumped in when one was "missed"?

What twats though to do stuff to the land after such a short time. Hope they haven't cut down anything that they shouldn't have, although tempting want them to have to pay for damage caused iyswim.

Hope you get sorted out Op.

ImNotChangingMyUsernameAgain Sun 27-Jan-19 10:14:43

DO NOT put a gate into 'their' fence. That would be like accepting that the CFs are entitled to have a fence there. You need a solicitors letter which includes sending them a copy of your registered title that states you are the owner of the land, that you have been in possession of the land for the past 8 years for regular use of dog walking etc. The letter should demand the removal of the fence within 14 days after which it will be removed and assert a claim for damages for trespass, removal of trees etc.

notapizzaeater Sun 27-Jan-19 10:15:00

They can put as many bloody fences as they want but it doesn't make it theirs !

InfiniteVariety Sun 27-Jan-19 10:15:15

25 years ago we had a problem with a neighbour who tried to move the border fence between our properties to take some of our land by stealth. As soon as we noticed we went to see him and insisted the original border was reinstated. The detail I remember was that if people do this sort of thing and it goes unchallenged for 12 years then the land becomes theirs. So it sounds as if you are well within that. Go to your solicitor immediately and start the process of reclaiming the land as yours.

JeezYouLoon Sun 27-Jan-19 10:15:32

Good grief, what a cheek!

Legal advice, in your face CF - some people are unbelievable shock

UpTree Sun 27-Jan-19 10:16:59

Did they think that no one owned it? Everything is owned?!

MadeleineMaxwell Sun 27-Jan-19 10:17:57

I would totally be getting some of those orange plastic temp fence thingies and boxing in their car. It's my car now, Dave!

FlipF Sun 27-Jan-19 10:18:43

Please update OP. I find things like this fascinating. I’m obsessed with the GardenLaw forum.

It sounds like you should be fine but what a crazy thing for you to have to deal with.

I can’t see how you will have any problems as it sounds like the fences are new’ish and that you’ve been using the land recently. Does the fence totally enclose the land?

Info you could get before you see a solicetor. (TBH I’m not sure it’s necessary but you might as well have it to hand 💁🏻‍♀️)

➖Your deeds
➖Land registry info (get the details for his property too just in case their is something weird on it. They are cheap I’d get them just in case)
➖TPO info
➖Photos of the private land sign
➖Any receipts/info on work that has been done to the woods
➖Photos of fence -it will be obvious if it’s a new fence
➖You could try and find some photos of when you were there.
➖Ariel views of the land - try google earth and then click ‘HISTORICAL IMAGERY’ or the clock symbol for older images too.
➖Photos of any boundary markers that may have been surrounding the woodland previously, eg posts or ditches

Also, I’d write down the details of your conversation with the couple.

It seems like you shouldn’t have a problem but I can only say that as a layman. 😬 My knowledge is only based on gardenlaw forum.

AlpacaLypse Sun 27-Jan-19 10:19:14

I'd so love a patch of woodland! not placemarking at all oh no...

HaulingFreight Sun 27-Jan-19 10:20:48

CF

Darkbaptism Sun 27-Jan-19 10:23:27

I’m fascinated that people actually do things like this. Good luck OP.

grumiosmum Sun 27-Jan-19 10:24:10

Very interested in this as we have a similar situation - in our case the woodland owner is using a corner of our field which borders it. We are open about it, no fences, but he cuts the grass, and I wonder if we should have a legal agreement...

Good luck OP.

DeaflySilence Sun 27-Jan-19 10:26:05

"Okay just to update. We will be seeking legal action asap this week and shall get someone in to secure the woodland from the neighbours and put a gate we can access into the fence."

Glad to see your update, @TwittleBee. I had a similar experience once and, yes, it took a legal action (but was very much worth doing). Your CF might capitulate with the first lawyer's letter, mine sadly took about a year, but hindsight tells me I could/should have been much tougher grin!

Am very curious to see how yours ends out, so hope you will keep it posted.

SawnUpLooRoll Sun 27-Jan-19 10:28:05

I second the mass MN walk through your woods. In fact, we could make a point of picking up any rubbish blown onto your land.

MAINTENANCE!

greenelephantscarf Sun 27-Jan-19 10:28:29

and op if you have calendar entries for visits to to woodland with your sister to show your frequent visits.

Holidayshopping Sun 27-Jan-19 10:30:50

Blimey -what CF! How did the conversation end? Did it seem like they had been expecting it? Is the wood right next to their house?

Pugwash1 Sun 27-Jan-19 10:31:30

They are being utterly ridiculous that they can fence your property and claim it as their own. Don't get in a panic. We had a similar (ish) situation. DH and I had a 50 foot long hedge removed from the side of our property when we were away for 6 months. Our neighbours erected a beautiful fence 2 inches from the side of our house the entire length of our property and took approximately a 10 foot wide by 50 foot long strip of land from us. In the space of 6 months they had built a new house (not kidding) and needed our land for access to it and to build it! He was an older, aggressive property builder and we were young. It got resolved very quickly. We ended up selling our property to him for far more than the going rate as otherwise he would have had to demolish his new build and return our land to it's original state. It only took a quick visit to land registry, the solicitor and some photos. I'm sure it will be resolved quickly.

JacksonPillock Sun 27-Jan-19 10:32:21

I can't believe people actually do stuff like this!

ChrisjenAvasarala Sun 27-Jan-19 10:32:37

Reading this opened mouthed.

But really, it doesn't matter what they are saying. They are wrong. It is your land; you can take legal action and they will be forced to pay your legal fees and pay to put right the damage, so pursue it all the way.

Good luck!!

longtimelurkerhelen Sun 27-Jan-19 10:32:47

If you don't have any recent pictures of the land prior to the fence erection, go on Google maps and Bing maps ( they have different angles) and do a number of screen grabs of your land. It will be proof that the fence is a recent addition.

percypeppers Sun 27-Jan-19 10:34:21

Great advice here. Definitely contact the Council tomorrow. Our tree officer would be over there in a shot if you mentioned trees being felled without permission..... grin

Bringbackthestripes Sun 27-Jan-19 10:35:12

We did tell them we had the deeds to the land but they said that didn't mean anything as they now looked after it and had fenced it?

I am hoping they have cup down something with a TPO just so they get their comeuppance. (But obviously it would better if they haven’t and if they just remove their fence and left your land alone)

grumiosmum Sun 27-Jan-19 10:38:41

Gobsmacked at Pugwash's tale !

3luckystars Sun 27-Jan-19 10:40:36

Will they get into trouble?

Absolutely shocking carry on. I hope it gets sorted this week for you.

DobbyTheHouseElk Sun 27-Jan-19 10:42:16

Pugwash that’s awful.

thecatsthecats Sun 27-Jan-19 10:46:55

Sulking now because it's next door that backs onto woodland,not us. I'll never get away with taking both.

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