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AIBU To think the Family Court is not fit for purpose?

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Notwiththeseknees Fri 04-Jan-19 11:06:29

The Judge has seen fit to name Ellie Yarrow, the mother who has fled with her three year old son. Reading the heartbreaking letter from Ellie that her sister posted on Facebook, AIBU to think that this secretive court who are responsible for some dreadful decisions, is no longer fit for purpose.

strivingforjustice Wed 09-Jan-19 15:02:37

RB68 , badlydrawnperson , Aeroflotgirl I feel the only way to change the law is to petition & take action to highlight this archaic, misogynistic system. To afford change in practise , law and the way vulnerable women are treated in the family court.

The same principles apply as to the criminal court in that allegations have to be proved but not beyond all reasonable doubt but on the balance of probabilities but a frightened woman who has faced any type of abuse is as you rightly say brought literally face to face with her abuser in what is little more than an arena, where the referees are non existent, so little chance to adequately.
It is not humane or adequate enough.
If we look at the changes in the tide against women protecting their children and mothers being vilified as little more than hysterical , emotional vindictive women by the Fathers For Justice movement.
If this movement garnered so much publicity and change in attitude than a fair representation of the facts by public pressure should...
We only have to look at the #METOO movement and what that has begun to achieve.
The Duchess of Cornwall had spoken openly about domestic abuse and I feel if someone prominent where to be the face of a campaign it would garner attention the right way.
I have some ideas...

strivingforjustice Wed 09-Jan-19 18:09:50

MissMalice thank you for clarifying , lets hope Andrew McFarlane has the good sense and commitment to use his position wisely and instigate and influence a radical reform & an overhaul of this awful system

Notwiththeseknees Thu 10-Jan-19 15:57:48

@strivingforjustice I would be happy to help you if you want support in getting the idea of reform into the public domain.

Aeroflotgirl Thu 10-Jan-19 16:02:59

Strivingforjustice it is now EA for her son since Police got involved and freaked him out. I agree, I would do the same as you, I told her, but she is just so scared, and has been scarred by the FC system. Strivingfor I would be happy to help where I can, and to support any petition for change for this archaeic and misogenistic system.

Eatmycheese Thu 10-Jan-19 16:17:13

It seems to me that Munby's words are still falling on deaf ears and that the family courts are a real lottery.
Something really drastic does indeed need to happen. Not just in court with fusty, cantankerous judges but amongst CAFCASS, the social services, multi agency working and of course the police and the CPS. Currently, emotional abusive and coercive control are not properly understood and professionals are some several steps if not w country mile behind these perpetrators, masquerading as wolves in sheeps clothing. They, we know, are not the real victims here.

Frankly it is just another element of society in which women and children are fucked over.
It is not acceptable and something serious needs doing to ensure legislation is not paralysed by a lack of capacity and capability in the relevant systems.

I hope this young woman and her son find peace and justice but feat this will not be so.

MissMalice Thu 10-Jan-19 16:30:18

seems to me that Munby's words are still falling on deaf ears and that the family courts are a real lottery.

My understanding is this is because the government won’t listen and obviously won’t fund any positive change. It’s truly a disgrace.

Doyoumind Thu 14-Mar-19 23:41:34

Resurrecting the thread as I've just read that her whereabouts are now known and the case is set to continue.

Notwiththeseknees Fri 15-Mar-19 08:20:08


Do you have any links? I hope they are okay and the Judge stands by his word.

Doyoumind Fri 15-Mar-19 09:32:51

It was on the BBC news app that I saw it.

Idonotlikeyoudonaldtrump Fri 15-Mar-19 09:44:34

Notwiththeseknees Fri 15-Mar-19 22:15:17

Thank you smile. I'm away & not following UK news at the moment so missed this. I hope it all works out well got her and her son.

EREBUS26 Thu 07-Nov-19 16:20:50

Just wondering if anyone can help currently going through court proceedings with my ex and cafcass has just had a meeting with him... he has rang me and informed that they have been asking him questions about my physical and sexual abuse history with a partner before him... is this allowed has dont feel comfortable having this discussed with him and his mum

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