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ThanksHunkyJesus Fri 14-Sep-18 21:21:43

Oritse of JLS fame who has been charged with the rape of a 20 year old fan, along with a friend of his who is accused of assaulting the same woman. Those who have publicly lent their support and well wishes to oritse include aston merrygold (also of jls), Alexandra Burke, Rochelle humes and olly murs amongst plenty of others. Falling over themselves to declare what a lovely guy oritse is.

Am I going mad or did #me too never happen? Why publicly throw your support behind someone who is accused of rape in the current climate? I wouldn't want to speculate whether he's guilty or not - but no consideration at all for the young woman did shock me.

AnneLovesGilbert Fri 14-Sep-18 21:23:04

It’s baffling.

Tutlefru Fri 14-Sep-18 21:23:58

YANBU.

Notmorewashing Fri 14-Sep-18 21:24:50

Sick

Sparklingbrook Fri 14-Sep-18 21:25:32

I guess it's because they are his friends, they believe he is a 'lovely guy' and want to support him?

areyoubeingserviced Fri 14-Sep-18 21:25:40

I was thinking the same thing Op.
Ill advised imho

Imnotacelebgetmeouttahere Fri 14-Sep-18 21:26:12

I thought this earlier.... shocking

Haworthia Fri 14-Sep-18 21:26:48

Because “lovely” guys can’t rape?

I bet social media is full of the usual misogynistic crap about the woman being a slag and “only after money”. Whereas, personally, I’ve never been able to understand how an accusation of rape towards a celeb is supposed to be a money spinner.

WhatIsThisTomfoolery Fri 14-Sep-18 21:29:05

He's been accused or charged?

MorrisZapp Fri 14-Sep-18 21:29:24

I saw various news sources break this on twitter today. The comments were a depressing cesspit. Many of them by women.

PattiStanger Fri 14-Sep-18 21:30:49

As a general question would you support a male friend in a similar position or would you assume he was guilty simply because he'd been accused?

Obviously none of us know what's happened but his friends might know more about it than strangers, time will tell.

Sparklingbrook Fri 14-Sep-18 21:30:52

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-45518544

Fattymcfaterson Fri 14-Sep-18 21:31:08

I would assume they are supporting him because they are his friends, whether that sentiment is misguided or not, it is their right to believe their friend.
As many normal people would support their friends

ThanksHunkyJesus Fri 14-Sep-18 21:33:22

Someone at work did say "well what did they (the women) think was going to happen, going back to their hotel?".

I told him that going to a hotel with someone doesn't mean that she consented to sex. Sad that this needs to be explained in 2018.

For everyone who publicly goes on about what a great guy oritse is, it reinforces that a good guy can't possibly be a rapist because look at all these other good guys that we trust (like olly murs) saying that he isn't . Meaning that the credibility of this woman is further called into question and it is shoring up damaging rape myths and making it less likely that a woman raped by a "good guy" will report in the future. They could lend their support privately but they are doing it publicly. Why is that?

Truckingonandon Fri 14-Sep-18 21:37:38

Sadly, the vast majority of people are not quite so enlightened. We live in scary, depressing times.

VerWrongIca Fri 14-Sep-18 21:41:11

Because accused isn’t the same as convicted?

Didn’t the Roxanne Pallett show you anything?

VerWrongIca Fri 14-Sep-18 21:41:25

*Roxanne Pallett incident

Dickybow321 Fri 14-Sep-18 21:41:31

I'm wondering if the whole Celebrity Big Brother saga with Roxanne Pallette falsely accusing a man of punching her has caused a backlash against the #metoo movement.

duskymauve Fri 14-Sep-18 21:41:43

He hasn’t ‘simply’ been accused though, he’s been charged with it. If it was one of my friends, I personally would keep silent on social media, and be very disappointed and upset in private.

ThanksHunkyJesus Fri 14-Sep-18 21:42:11

Charged, not accused. So there must be some evidence. And this has no similarities at all to Roxanne pallet.

Idontbelieveinthemoon Fri 14-Sep-18 21:44:30

They could lend their support privately but they are doing it publicly. Why is that?

Because their faith in him as a human trumps any logical thought at this point. Because they're probably assured that 'nice' guys don't commit rape.

What's most shocking of all out of this is that women he knows are coming out in support of him. Women who have potentially experienced assault or awful moments of misogyny are standing there saying he couldn't possibly be a rapist because x, y and z. If women don't believe that 'nice' guys can be rapists, there's no chance of convincing men of the same thing.

PattiStanger Fri 14-Sep-18 21:45:00

Are the dates in the above link correct? Did it happen over 18 months ago? Isn't that a very long time to decide whether anyone will be charged with a crime? That doesn't seem fair on anyone involved.

Rebecca36 Fri 14-Sep-18 21:45:11

Because they believe he (& his friend) are not guilty. Like many other cases.

They will eat their hats if he is guilty.
I hope he isn't.

mrs2468 Fri 14-Sep-18 21:47:14

I personally wouldn't support publicly if I was a celebrity as it might back fire. However if it was my son and believed he was innocent of course I would. He hasn't been found guilty and whilst he has been charged I think there's been enough rape cases in the press where police or prosecutors made errors and those charged were innocent. I would prefer to judge from facts and a trial rather than speculation via media.

Firsttimemum892 Fri 14-Sep-18 21:48:54

Where have people pubicaly supported him ?

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