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That this is a good example of the difference in the genders

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walkswithmydog Sun 27-May-18 10:28:39

Doesn't this just show that there is no such thing as gender neutrality, there never has been and never will. Women aren't suited to certain roles, and vice versa.

Pa1oma Sun 27-May-18 10:44:41

Well of course there are physical differences between men and women confused

slug Sun 27-May-18 10:46:14

How many men leave after 2 weeks training? Yet we don't extrapolate from that the idea that these roles are unsuited for men do we. The sample size is tiny. It was unsuitable for that woman, not necessarily all women

PurpleDaisies Sun 27-May-18 10:47:22

How many men leave after 2 weeks training? Yet we don't extrapolate from that the idea that these roles are unsuited for men do we. The sample size is tiny. It was unsuitable for that woman, not necessarily all women

This is spot on.

DuchyDuke Sun 27-May-18 10:47:49

Most men drop out in the first 18 weeks too. They have a 60-70 percent drop out rate I believe.

BeyondRedYNWA Sun 27-May-18 10:48:25

Hang on, wasn't the "first woman to join the front line" actually trans?

Cause if it's that same person, it kinda doesn't prove your point

Terfing Sun 27-May-18 10:48:47


Do you mean 'sex' or 'gender' op?

itsBritneyBeach Sun 27-May-18 10:48:56

Depends on the person, not the gender. Bye

walkswithmydog Sun 27-May-18 10:49:57

slug that wouldn't have been news worthy, obviously as she was the first one to have joined the infantry.

Sturmundcalm Sun 27-May-18 10:50:05

what slug said, and also it must be incredibly isolating and high-pressure to be the first women. which would be why the report also contained the following:
"She also told officers that living in female-only accommodation made her feel ‘like an outsider’ and weakened her resolve."

it's incredibly tough training, you need to feel like part of a team and that you're going through it with other folk. she clearly didn't feel like that...

LipstickHandbagCoffee Sun 27-May-18 10:50:20

Women aren't suited to certain roles, and vice versa what a depressing statement.
You’ve so internalised a sexist narrative that you’re delighted to find 1 story supporting it
What about the female firefighters,police,military who quietly get on with it
Are you going to start a thread celebrating them
Or just a see told you thread proving women are only for certain roles

ChazsBrilliantAttitude Sun 27-May-18 10:50:57

This is not about genders it’s about sexes. Women are generally physically smaller than men so expecting them to fulfill physical challenges that many men struggle with may be unrealistic. Would a man of similar size and strength have completed the training?

Osopolar Sun 27-May-18 10:50:58

A sample size of 0 means nothing. It may indeed be too hard for women but we can't draw that conclusion from this.

Osopolar Sun 27-May-18 10:51:12

Sample size of 1!

PurpleDaisies Sun 27-May-18 10:51:15

So which other roles are women unsuited for then?

NewYearNewMe18 Sun 27-May-18 10:51:58

Many moons ago, Israel was one of the first for gender equality in the armed forces, they had national service, women were deployed to the front line. It was found to be ineffectively simply if a woman got shot/injured, men would down tools and attend her, where as if a male colleague suffered the same, it would a healthy dollop of "you ok mate?help is coming" and keep on shooting.

The Met Police had similar issues back in the 70's with putting WPCs out on the frontline. Now we've managed to beat the manners and chivalry out of men in the name of equality, it's not an issue. So always a silver lining if you look for it.

ghostyslovesheets Sun 27-May-18 10:52:14

no - hth

Andrewofgg Sun 27-May-18 10:53:04

^Women aren’t suited to certain roles*

As sperm donors they would be abject failures. Apart from that . . .

walkswithmydog Sun 27-May-18 10:53:32

Let's be honest, if loads of men drop out, as we all know they do, it's because it's too arduous, it's not surprising that a woman would. It's not surprising though, it's the lack of physical strengh.

ArtBrut Sun 27-May-18 10:53:49

Poor, OP, are you comprehension skills usually so befuddled? Would you like people to point out the numbers of men who drop out of infantry training? Or indeed the women who have passed exactly the same infantry training as the men in other jurisdictions?

CanIGoToBedNow Sun 27-May-18 10:55:17

Ahh but hang on this was the RAF Reg so not ‘real infantry’ 😂

In all seriousness there may be one or two females who would be able to withstand the physicality of an infantry training course. But how I read the article, the major factor in her dropping behind during tabs etc was because she was not part of the unit. She lived completely separately from everyone else and there was no unity - no one was motivating her.

I don’t know about you it I wouldn’t want to sleep/do my ablutions with 8 or so blokes so it was doomed to failure

PatriarchyPersonified Sun 27-May-18 10:55:16

RAF Regiment aren't infantry.

That aside, a lot of men drop out in the early stages of training. It's a good thing that she did if she couldn't cope.

No problem whatsoever with women in combat roles, if they are able to meet the same standards as the men.

arghihatethis Sun 27-May-18 10:55:33


EdPsy Sun 27-May-18 10:55:35

Isn’t this woman a trans woman though? So.... same body type/strength as a man?

LipstickHandbagCoffee Sun 27-May-18 10:56:19

Do you have children walkswith, will you sit them down & explain what theyre excluded from
I suggest get paper,a ruler,pens. Draw a line down middle page.two headings suited and unsuited
And explain to your kids, take note the female unsuited column will probably be longer

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