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To be appalled by Grenfell all over again.

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derxa Mon 21-May-18 20:04:51

The enquiry has made cry and cry. The families' statements. So terrible.

Degustibusnonestdisputandem1 Mon 21-May-18 20:06:25

Me also. 😔. Just no words.

Fruitcorner123 Mon 21-May-18 20:09:15

it's shameful

derxa Mon 21-May-18 20:12:39

It should never have happened. I'm a right winger and I'm disgusted.

Hereshopingforimprovement Mon 21-May-18 20:13:05

I just heard the man who's son was stillborn speaking and I'm in floods of tears.

ineedamoreadultieradult Mon 21-May-18 20:15:43

I caught a very small part of an interview on the radio with someone from the fire service who said questions needed to be answered about why we wrapped a building full of people in a flamable material. I think just the simple way he explained that made it really hit home how avoidable the whole thing was.

barleyfive Mon 21-May-18 20:17:14

So sad sad cannot even imagine what everyone went through that night, and carries with them now as a result. Out of this needs to come real legal reform, it will never heal the wounds but will hopefully prevent another tragedy. It is shocking that the cladding was deemed acceptable on any building, and people should be brought to justice for their cost cutting.

PerryPerryThePlatypus Mon 21-May-18 20:17:16

My heart goes out to all those affected by it. I hope they get justice and an apology.

WiseDad Mon 21-May-18 20:26:50

A focus on the tenants and poor folks who died is necessary catharsis for many otherwise they fear an establishment whitewash. The establishment, in the form of K&C council and the management board of the housing association did this to people yet I doubt a single drop of blame will touch Dent-Coad and her ilk.

I hate to say it but I bet it will be a standard enquiry where the ultimate cause, poor specification or such like, will be ignored in favour of hanging the cladding manufacturer out to dry.

It was terrible what happened to the people in that building. So many things were done to destroy the integrity of the fire compartmentalisation scheme that it makes me wonder whether fire safety was even considered by those who approved the plans. Millions on energy saving cladding up in smoke and so many people’s lives destroyed for a meaningless objective.

Scandalous. If you don’t know what you’re doing don’t sit in the board. Reminds me of the chairman of coop bank who was a drug using Methodist. Got the role for the right social credentials and professionals on the board quit as bad decisions were made that led to the downfall of the Organization. I bet something similar happened here with professionals overlooked in favour of political appointees.

Everyone in the UK has a stake in seeing this enquiry reveal the incompetence at the heart of Uk public life. Fingers crossed.

WiseDad Mon 21-May-18 20:28:41

Apropos cost cutting I don’t think that was an issue given the cladding material itself was only a part of the overall cost. They picked the one with the best thermal properties and ignored the other considerations.

Some people should go to jail. They won’t.

BertieBotts Mon 21-May-18 20:29:28

It's coming up to a year, isn't it? Those poor families will never get closure.

derxa Mon 21-May-18 20:34:02

Everyone in the UK has a stake in seeing this enquiry reveal the incompetence at the heart of Uk public life. Fingers crossed I hope so.
What a bloody disgrace.

derxa Mon 21-May-18 20:35:30

The tenants blog warned them but nobody listened.

Icklepickle101 Mon 21-May-18 20:38:57

Was it televised? I’d be interested in watching it on catch up

Furano Mon 21-May-18 20:40:40

Some people should go to jail. They won’t.


BigPinkBall Mon 21-May-18 20:41:56

I was glad to read that the families will be able to speak about their loved ones without a time limit, I only hope this enquiry isn’t just a box ticking exercise and will help the bereaved get some closure and reassurance that no one will have to again go through what they’ve been through.

BertieBotts Mon 21-May-18 20:42:06

There was a live youtube stream you can watch back, it's over 2 hours long though.

Awwlookatmybabyspider Mon 21-May-18 20:51:13

Flammable cladding has not been banned. Why the fuck not. What purpose does it even serve. .
Was 71 people burning to death not enough to make them pull their fingers out.

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 20:54:10

derxa these tenants have a blog too.
And they were treated in much the same way............this article was only nine days after Grenfell.

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 20:57:14

HelenaDove Fri 09-Feb-18 00:37:53

Add message | Report | Message poster HelenaDove Fri 09-Feb-18 00:38:56
"A RESIDENT who contacted an under-fire housing association to ask for a workman was met by police instead.

It is the latest incident in a long-running saga that has pit residents and their housing association against one another.

As previously told in the Evening Times, energy saving works in Toryglen should have taken 12 weeks to carry out.

Now, 20 months later, workmen are still on site sorting out problems caused by the scheme, run by energy giant E-on at hundreds of Thistle Housing Association properties.

Resident Ian Paterson spotted that a cable containment box had burst and cables were hanging loose in his close.

He emailed Thistle HA to report the problem, expecting a workman to come out and fix the damage.

Instead, housing bosses called the police to accuse Mr Paterson of vandalism and two officers came to his door.

It is the second time Thistle's management have called police to Mr Paterson, having previously accused him of running a blog site detailing the issues with the botched works.

Mr Paterson described the move as a "poisonous attempt" on his character.

The energy works have turned into a three-way stooshie with residents of 608 properties stuck in the middle.

Using £8.5million of public money, including £3.4m of Scottish Government cash, E-on was supposed to have taken 12 weeks to carry out works such as rough casting, window upgrades and roof repairs in order to make homes more energy efficient.

Workers wracked up a catalogue of blunders, meaning some properties had to be visited on multiple occasions in order to undergo remedial works.

And residents, who have asked First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and council leader Susan Aitken for help, were left increasingly frustrated by the time delays and inconvenience.

In September last year E-on pulled all its staff off-site following a stand-up row between its staff and residents.

Each group pointed the finger at the other with locals claiming E.ON staff were verbally abusive towards them.

E.ON then claimed its workers felt under threat for residents.

There was also a deadlock between the energy firm and the housing association over payment, causing E.ON to appoint an independent adjudicator - which found in favour of the housing association.

The stalemate arose when a quantity surveyor appointed by Thistle would not sign off the works, so the association withheld a £3.4m payment to E-on.

At the time, our paper contacted E-on for comment but they refused to speak on the issue.

It is understood workmen are still on site sorting out snagging issues at properties.

Some residents have had as many as 13 completion dates for their homes but still have no end in sight.

A spokesperson from Thistle Housing Association said: “It is standard practice that any suspected acts of vandalism to our properties are reported to our community police team.

“It is our duty to ensure our residents live in a safe, well maintained community and we endeavour to do all we can to uphold our high standards throughout Toryglen.”

Glasgow City Council has said the local authority will commission an independent audit into the situation."

Add message | Report | Message poster HelenaDove Fri 09-Feb-18 01:33:54

Add message | Report | Message poster HelenaDove Fri 09-Feb-18 01:34:48
"Ian Paterson, who has helped spearhead the residents’ campaign was visited by police who were called by the housing association in relation to a blog that has been started by residents and which details the failings of the works programme so far.

He said: “The blog is written by a collection of residents. But it shows how poor communications have become that police are being called to pensioners such as myself."

The second article i have linked was written nine days after Grenfell The Grenfell residents logged their ongoing problems in a blog too. Yet nine days after the tragedy in another part of the country another set of residents doing the same are treated with derision...........just nine days later.

The attitudes towards tenants need to change.

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 20:59:35

Ed Daffarn the author of the Grenfell blog was on Channel 4 news.

He talked about the blog and how they were ignored and thrreatened with legal action to keep quiet.

derxa Mon 21-May-18 21:03:26

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 21:05:59

Ed also talked about the power surges in the building which were happening back in 2013. Electrical items were catching fire This was also documented on the Grenfell blog.

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 23:22:39

HelenaDove Mon 21-May-18 23:26:55

The couple who lost their baby were on Newsnight. They were filmed unpacking items that had survived the fire and been cleaned
Two of the items were dog bowls and it was mentioned that in the confusion the family dog Lily had run back up the stairs.

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