Kate isn’t the real post partum heroine this week?

[lulu12345]

I’m just catching up on My Year with the Tribe on BBC iPlayer and literally have a dropped jaw at the amazing hardcore woman who gave birth overnight totally on her own, cut the umbilical cord herself etc and then suddenly finds herself with an entire film crew pitching up filming her every move. It’s rainy season and she’s to stay in a wooden hut for 5 days on her own. Her DH says hes “not allowed” to touch babies until they’re like toddler age.

Makes Kate’s blow dry and 2 min pose on steps look completely lightweight.

[Bumblesnuff4Crimpysnitch]

I saw that and was also in awe of the new mother.

[KnittinKitten]

I don’t think anyone thinks kate is a heroine!

[lulu12345]

@KnittinKitten said tongue in cheek obviously!

[whiteradiator]

Well who can blame her having hundreds of photographers waiting for photos as soon as she gives birth, no wonder she has stylist and hairdresser etc ready to make her look good. You would do the same in her shoes!

[KnittinKitten]

Oh. It sounded like another “you ain’t all that” dig at kate.

[JaneJeffer]

I love that programme. I don't know how they survive on the little amount they have to eat.

Will Millard is very attractive

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

The women had just given birth and had to have people faffing and fussing around her.
When all she probably wanted to do was chill. Me personally I don't think it's a situation to be envious of.

[lulu12345]

Yy re Will Millard Proper old school adventurer...swoon

[Sprinklesinmyelbow]

Poor woman. I don’t know why her misfortune to be born into a misogynistic dangerous lifestyle is somehow admirable.

[JaneJeffer]

Do you mean Kate or the tribes woman?

[Sprinklesinmyelbow]

The tribes woman. At least Kate had medical care and suport

[SandysMam]

I think the true heroine is the woman who got snapped coming out of the Lindo wing wearing ballet pumps and SOCKS having just given birth and still managed to smile while surely dying inside
Bravo!

[JugglingMummyof2]

Yes and her baby died from diarrhoea - so sad. The parents just accepted it.

[JaneJeffer]

That was a different woman Juggling

[DanceDisaster]

Oh what program is this please? I didn’t see it.

[MinnieMul]

lulu12345 Will Millard's dad was my GP for years!

Need to watch this though!

[TerfinUSA]

The Korowai are quite interesting in terms of modernisation, you have Christian missionaries who go their to proselytise and often modernise (they may encourage things like more traditional housing, which might not be a good idea in terms of malaria, etc., but otoh they have medicine). www.heartcrymissionary.com/heartcry-magazine-archive/post/korowai:-the-treehouse-people www.tonyanthony.co.uk/papua-indonesia-mission-2014-visiting-the-korowai-tribe-the-tree-house-people/

On the other hand you have the sort of anthropological approach of the BBC journalist where people in this state are some sort of endangered species to be strictly preserved in aspic for entertainment purposes.

And then of course you have the tourist $$$ of building the tallest possible treehouse you can and parading around in your penis gourd and what not.

The Indonesian approach (the missionaries here are foreign) is different as local government may make aid, governmental services, etc. contingent on becoming Muslim www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41981430, as with the Rimba, another subject of a recent gawking BBC documentary (with Chris Packham)

As I understand it in strictly animist traditional societies murder rates etc. are actually extremely high in contrast to the 'noble savage' nonsense exemplified by Margaret Mead. It's a different approach as group membership becomes much more important as does customary law, so breaches of custom must be punished very strictly as it damages the group's cohesion and a superstitious society may appear to threaten the existence and survival of the entire tribe.

Personally I'd be most concerned that once the Christian missionaries have converted the tribespeople into modern living, the Indonesian will see it as a good idea to send more Islamic transmigrants (the Indonesian 'settlement' of Papua far exceeds anything done by Israel in Palestinian territories, and it's certainly less peaceful) from Java to build villages and take customary land. Pig-loving animists really do NOT mix well with brainwashed Islamic fanatics. And then the army/police with the crystal meth distribution won't be far behind.

[Wisdens]

Poor woman. I don’t know why her misfortune to be born into a misogynistic dangerous lifestyle is somehow admirable

And the award for most patronising post of the day goes to..........

[GoulashSoup]

To me any woman who has just given birth by whatever means or method deserves superhero status. I also believe they deserve privacy which both of these two women have not been given.

I am in awe of both of these two women, they have both done things I’m not sure I would or could have done. (Don’t confuse awe with envy). I also have a degree of pity for both.

[JugglingMummyof2]

Was it? I was on the laptop at the same time but I thought it was the same couple. I will have to rewatch.

[Petalflowers]

Wasn't quite sure what this thread was going to be about, as the title in the box says 'post partum 'heroin'... .

[StarlaPriest]

I'd bloody love 5 days on my own in a hut with my baby!

[therealposieparker]

There was a women from America who had a baby in a hotel room in Turkey, alone with instructions from youtube.... Amazing. She tweeted the whole thing(not at the time).

[Etino]

Watching it on catch up now, but...
Poor woman. I don’t know why her misfortune to be born into a misogynistic dangerous lifestyle is somehow admirable
We’re taking about Kate, right?

[JaneJeffer]

It was a shame the way the programme ended. And I wonder what happened to Halap and how is Haup surviving without him