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To hope that we can follow Iceland in banning male circumcision

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GladAllOver Mon 19-Feb-18 16:10:53

It really is time that this nasty practice is stopped.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country

SersioulycanitgetWORSE Mon 19-Feb-18 16:30:20

Yes I agree its a huge step forward

Bluelady Mon 19-Feb-18 16:34:25

It's integral to the Jewish and Muslim faiths and goes back millennia. Banning it to fit 21st century sensibilities is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.

QuitMoaning Mon 19-Feb-18 16:35:53

Why do Jews and Muslims do It? What is it to represent?

glenthebattleostrich Mon 19-Feb-18 16:36:26

I disagree blue. It's unnecessary and can lead to all kinds of issues. If adult men feel their god needs them to hack bits of their penis off fine, off they go but it should be banned for children.

sirlee66 Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:02

Glen couldn't have put it any better myself

Bluelady Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:06

You're perfectly entitled to disagree with me - obviously. I have devout Jewish friends and if this were to become an issue here they'd have to leave the country. It amounts to religious persecution.

MiltonBurnedTheBuildingDown Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:08

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Youshallnotpass Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:18

It's integral to the Jewish and Muslim faiths and goes back millennia. Banning it to fit 21st century sensibilities is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.

Properly don't give a fuck. Mutilating small boys for religious reasons is insane and should be outlawed.

MiltonBurnedTheBuildingDown Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:42

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bert3400 Mon 19-Feb-18 16:39:45

Mutilating your child's genitalia because it's been done for ýears, previously ...is not a good enough reason to keep doing it. This makes me sick and I have 4 boys completely intact as the day they were born.

GummyGoddess Mon 19-Feb-18 16:40:08

Nobody should be allowed to get parts of their child cut off. The decision to chop parts of yourself off can be made as an adult but you don't do it to a defenceless child.

Bluelady Mon 19-Feb-18 16:42:02

It isn't tradition. It's an intrinsic part of those faiths. Surely respect for other people's religious beliefs should be part of any civilised society.

Mia1415 Mon 19-Feb-18 16:42:11

Nobody should be allowed to get parts of their child cut off. The decision to chop parts of yourself off can be made as an adult but you don't do it to a defenceless child.

I couldn't agree more!!!

UmmKultum Mon 19-Feb-18 16:42:26

I suspect miltons 'off they fuck then' towards jews and muslims encapsulates the real reasons behind this 'debate'

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beepthemeep Mon 19-Feb-18 16:42:39

So bluelady, do you think that Italy should still be crucifying and stoning people because the romans did it?

Do you think that FGM is ok because lots of African and ME countries do it?

Do you think that catholic women should be denied contraception?

Do you think that it's right that a Muslim woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's, or that if she is sentenced to death by stoning she should be buried up to the neck, whilst a man is only buried up to the waist, therefore greatly increasing his prospects of escape compared to hers?

Etc etc etc. It's 2018. It's time we stopped allowing scriptures from thousands of years ago dictate what is acceptable. Any devout man can go and have it done when he's old enough to choose. This is a tiny step, but it is a step.

EssentialHummus Mon 19-Feb-18 16:43:00

In practiCal terms I think this’d just see the practice driven underground in religious communities, to the detriment of the boys concerned. (Disclaimer: Red Sea pedestrian)

missyB1 Mon 19-Feb-18 16:44:04

Good for Iceland, FGM is illegal so boys should have the same protection.

Somerford Mon 19-Feb-18 16:44:12

I suspect miltons 'off they fuck then' towards jews and muslims encapsulates the real reasons behind this 'debate'

Has this particular poster given you any reason to suspect that they are a religious bigot?

Mia1415 Mon 19-Feb-18 16:44:13

Bluelady
I respect other people's religious beliefs, however I respect a child's right not to have bits chopped off of them more!

Youshallnotpass Mon 19-Feb-18 16:46:12

I think the 'off they fuck then' is to the very specific Jews and Muslims who would have an issue with not being able to mutilate their sons. Not to all Jews and Muslims (clearly).

MiltonBurnedTheBuildingDown Mon 19-Feb-18 16:46:37

I suspect miltons 'off they fuck then' towards jews and muslims encapsulates the real reasons behind this 'debate'

You're very wrong. I eat halal meat, couldn't care less about what adults believe and do with their own bodies. Don't care if someone takes a huff cos they can't cut bits off their healthy child either.

CardinalSin Mon 19-Feb-18 16:46:55

I respect other people - their beliefs have to show them selves to be worthy of respect though. And chopping healthy bits off unconsenting babies genitals, of either gender, is not a belief I consider worth respecting...

MiltonBurnedTheBuildingDown Mon 19-Feb-18 16:48:26

I think this’d just see the practice driven underground in religious communities

Agreed, we'd have to have laws in place punishing for taking children abroad to do so.

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