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To not understand this? *trans related*

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NomsQualityStreets Mon 05-Feb-18 20:24:14

I don't want this to be a TAAT but my post was triggered about something I read today about someone being a "woman with a penis" generally threads I've been reading about stores amending their changing room policies and more.

I'm not versed enough on the subject and I don't understand how that can pass?? Please excuse my questioning but I'm very new to the discussion and would like someone to clarify this for me.

Surely if you're a biological man who feels he is a woman and wants to be acknowledged as a woman and is truly committed to it you have a sex change? - and you shouldn't be allowed into female spaces until you've undergone that?
How can you possibly expect to be treated like a woman AND keep your male genitals?

Again sorry if this offends anyone but I'm just quite confused.

FruitJuiceStrawYesOrNo Mon 05-Feb-18 20:28:06

Incredibly confusing.

kitkatsky Mon 05-Feb-18 20:34:03

I’m no expert, but think they make you live as your preferred gender for a good whole before you can have surgery

ApocalypseNowt Mon 05-Feb-18 20:36:26

In a nutshell it's "genitals don't have gender, but brains do". Or something.

It's nonsense basically. But dangerous nonsense.

stargirl1701 Mon 05-Feb-18 20:36:37

Some men, particularly older men, who decide to live within society's gender norms for women get a sexual thrill from it. This is called AGP. The do not get a sex change because they would not be able to orgasm if they removed their penis.

ApocalypseNowt Mon 05-Feb-18 20:38:16

And i'm not 100% sure of the stats but I think it's around 80% of 'transwomen' don't have surgery.

As stargirl said this is driven by AGP.

SmileEachDay Mon 05-Feb-18 20:38:28

80% of trans identifying men still have their penis. That’s from GIRES, if you want refs.

A proportion of those TiMs insist they are “literal women”, deny that women are different to them, demand access to female spaces, call anyone who doesn’t agree a TERF bigot and accuse lesbians of transphobia (often very violently) if they won’t sleep with them.

It’s almost like they are men. Ohhhhh....wait....

DearSergio Mon 05-Feb-18 20:44:22

Also if the new laws surrounding self id go through any man can declare themselves a woman, they don't have to have a diagnosis of gender dsyphoria or have lived as a woman for any amount of time. As PP have already said, the majority of transwomen keep their male genitalia. Apparently penis' are female genitalia now....

JoeyMaynardssolidlump Mon 05-Feb-18 20:46:50

If you have a cock you are a bloke

SmileEachDay Mon 05-Feb-18 20:47:56

Indeed Sergio Like this utter charmer....

SmileEachDay Mon 05-Feb-18 20:48:43

I think photo will now post twice...

AprilW Mon 05-Feb-18 20:50:32

Trans women are women. Some women are short, some have freckles, some are black, some have a penis, some have large breasts. What unites us as a class is... a sort of... womanly kind of feeling. In our woman brains.

If you don't get that, you're probably obsessed with genitals/ovaries/wombs/chromasomes/reality and it's important to sit very quietly and shut up until a transactivist can explain womanhood to you properly.

SmileEachDay Mon 05-Feb-18 20:52:22

Ah April...

You’re being sarcastic, right? <hopes>

theaveragewife Mon 05-Feb-18 20:56:17

Haven’t you heard about the female sperm or lady dick?

You’ve got a mountain to climb.....just head over to YouTube and google Magdalen Berns.

athingthateveryoneneeds Mon 05-Feb-18 20:56:42

All you need to be a woman is lipstick and earrings. Easy as!

youtu.be/O65OL7k0jXg

This is TRA agenda #1 - being a woman is a "feeling in the bones/heart/laydee brain" and must be respected at all costs otherwise you are a bigot and LITERALLY killing transgender folk. If self ID becomes law, disagreeing with this insanity could land you in jail.

Welcome to the insanity.

averylongtimeago Mon 05-Feb-18 20:59:33

I think April has explained the thinking behind this.
Apparently if you are a man who "feels" he she is a woman, then you absolutely are one, exactly the same as me a person with xx chromosomes, a vagina and who has given birth and if you don't agree you are literally killing them with your cis privilege violence.

WishingOnABar Mon 05-Feb-18 21:03:41

Just wondering how many FTM trans are demanding gay men accept them and their Manfanjos?

Ekphrasis Mon 05-Feb-18 21:04:40

Op, get a big toblerone and a cuppa and peruse the feminist chat boards. Happy peaking.

On a more serious note, watch a load of Magdalen Burns and read the Gender Trender blog as well as Miranda Yardley's blog (who is transsexual.)

Basically, (some) people now think gender means sex. So you can be either gender without changing sex. So the female gender with a penis.

Feelz trumps chromosomes now dontchaknow.

PeanutButterCheesecake Mon 05-Feb-18 21:12:27

Danielle Manscato has a dick. He also is a dick. He can't be a woman because no woman could ever be that much of a dick.

If I said I was the next messiah, it would be said that I am mentally ill.

If I said I was a bird and could fly, and jumped off a building, it would be said that I am mentally ill.

If I said I was male, which is equally impossible....

Ekphrasis Mon 05-Feb-18 21:16:55

*Berns.

Thanks for that Magdalen link; that film had boiled my piss a few weeks ago. As so many fb friends liked it. So glad she responded to it!

Hope she's ok at the mo too.

AprilW Mon 05-Feb-18 21:25:19

Smile this is a major strength of the transactivist movement, isn't it? When you repeat them word-for-word, people still unfamiliar with the rhetoric will not be entirely sure if you're serious. A... female penis? Okay, but... I'm pretty sure that's an oxymoron, since sex classifications are based on actual sex-based physical characteristics, with nothing to do with feelings or socialisation or gender roles, so obviously you wouldn't literally say a penis is... is it, like, a symbolic statement? Saying there are people born male who choose/need to live as women, and we should respect this and not go out of our way to point out differences?

Nope. Old news. A woman can have a penis. No debate. If you have an issue with that then you're being transphobic.

But, even when you explain this, I think people still suspect that you're only talking about one or two very extreme voices, just for dramatic effect. People need to see the actual mainstream trans rhetoric in action, and I'm glad it's getting more exposure: everyone should understand the level of cognitive dissonance into which we're being bullied.

Fekko Mon 05-Feb-18 21:27:39

Wtf is ‘womanly feeling’? Explain please.

SmileEachDay Mon 05-Feb-18 21:29:30

I KNOW April!!! In fact, there is a picture meme doing the rounds with THOSE WORDS and some very creepy prepubescent drawings of girls <shudder>

It’s literal lunacy.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar Mon 05-Feb-18 21:31:51

Genitals don't have a gender... Wtf?? Isn't it amazing that so few "women" with dicks are happy to be released from that particular burden? So attached are they, in fact, that they've deluded themselves into imagining they have a ladies version of a penis??
The whole thing is so very surreal and frankly frightening, I can't get my head around why it's not being treated as the mental aberration that it so clearly is.

geekymommy Mon 05-Feb-18 21:39:27

In the US, there is a big reason why someone might not have gender reassignment surgery- expense. It might not be covered under their insurance. I don't know what the NHS policy on this is, but I wouldn't imagine that you can go to your GP and say "I want gender reassignment surgery" and get it the same day.

Any surgery on those bits probably carries some risk of loss of sexual functioning.

I don't know what transwomen who still have penises think of themselves, or what they do in bed. But I have no plans to go to bed with one, so I figure it really isn't my problem. And I like it when things are not my problem.

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