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Is it ok to gloss/ satinwood paint over existing gloss/ satinwood paint

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raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 11:51:24

I’m serious. I loathe having to undercoat, can I just paint over existing paint? or is that a terrible idea.

I have no choice but to paint/ decorate myself, but I’d almost rather not do it, than do two coats, so I will choose one coat emulsions etc, but what about gloss/ satinwood.

Really getting myself in a dilemma over it...( I know it’s not a major issue to anyone, but it’s my immediate issue of the day)
Advice appreciated

StellaHeyStella Wed 24-Jan-18 12:09:08

I feel your pain op, painting woodwork is so boring.
I'd give it a good sand first and then use a one coat paint.
I hate gloss personally, satinwood is easier and looks nicer.

c3pu Wed 24-Jan-18 12:13:40

Gloss on gloss often ends bady. You may get away with it if you give it a really good sand back so it has a good key, but If it were me I'd key it up, give it a coat of undercoat, and then gloss it. Much more likely to get a good result that way.

mirime Wed 24-Jan-18 12:18:08

Gloss on gloss often ends bady.

Anything over gloss often ends badly. I had to repaint the walls in the bedroom and living room and it turned out the previous owners had patched up the matt magnolia paint with gloss magnolia paint.

I'm still cursing them three years later.

WaggyMama Wed 24-Jan-18 12:26:04

Buy paint that doesn't need an undercoat.

Solvent-based satin finish formulation that is tough, hardwearing and dirt resistant. Does not require an undercoat except where a strong colour change is required. Suitable for use on interior wood and metal surfaces.

throwcushions Wed 24-Jan-18 12:26:13

If you sand and use sugar soap and then a decent one coat paint it should be fine, just be careful of drips. We did this and it looks fine.

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 12:28:16

Oh.....sanding it all is almost as bad as undercoating !!

I think I will use satinwood, as opposed to gloss.

Wondering if I give the woodwork a good rub ( a bit of a rub really) with some sugar spray stuff, that would do, and then satinwood ontop ...

Ah my paint sample book thingy says no undercoat for satinwood once ...😀 but it says it will take 24 hours to dry.🙁
There is a quick dry satin, dry within 2 hours and you can wash the brushes with water...but the lack of mention of undercoat, suggests this needs it....

Bootikin Wed 24-Jan-18 12:28:41

What everyone else said.

I tried shortcutting this once, gave the gloss a violent scrub with sugar soap and then glossed over it without sanding or undercoat.

Huge mistake ... the new gloss didn't adhere properly and big flakes came off if touched or bumped. Put up with it for a year then scraped the top coat off, a horrid job, then sanded and under coated properly, recoated properly, blah blah.

Never again will I scrimp on prep, it was a boring lesson to learn sad

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 12:32:49

And thank you for the advice...sugar soap ( avoiding sanding unless extremely necessary ) and a one coat satinwood.
But I’ll have to be really careful when the kids get home, so they don’t touch it at all.

My brother once tried to emulsion over a kitchen wall that my grandmother had totally glossed. It was horrific, he had to use an electric sander to clean the whole thing off, as it melted, or seemed to melt.
I’m just feeling too old and lazy to undercoat, I didn’t mind in my teens, but I don’t fancy it at all now...

treeofhearts Wed 24-Jan-18 12:33:21

If you don't give it a good rub down it will just peel away. It can't stick to a smooth surface so it's either undercoat or sanding.

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 12:33:41

Oh read the last post, and worried ...but maybe the once satin which says no undercoat will work.

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 12:34:59

Drat sand too ..looks like the way forward. A friend suggested Wilkinson’s as being the cheapest, so I will look there before B&Q and Homebase

treeofhearts Wed 24-Jan-18 12:35:23

Also sugar soap will do sweet FA. It's for cleaning the grease away, nothing more. You dont have to take it back to bare just rough it up.

treeofhearts Wed 24-Jan-18 12:36:58

It won't. The reason you undercoat generally is to block out the previous colour. It isn't supposed to replace sanding that's just a handy plus. Once coat is thicker that's all. It also has the downside of being oil based and will yellow like fuck

ThePinkOcelot Wed 24-Jan-18 12:37:42

Don’t do it without preparation!!

A cowboy decorator ruined my hallway by not prepping. It’s cost me a fortune correcting his shit!

ginghamstarfish Wed 24-Jan-18 12:48:45

Try painting with BIN (google it) which means you can then paint over it. I love BIN and wish I'd known about it years ago.

mrsharrison Wed 24-Jan-18 13:18:43

You only need to sand it lightly. It would take 15 minutes tops for an average size living room.
Sugar soap it before sanding and use satin.
Maybe postpone doing it until you're in the mood to do it properly.

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 13:43:44

Mrsharrison, I may never be in that mood.....and oh will it yellow ?

I will google BIN, and bear in mind the sugar soap isn’t the same as sanding
Thanks 😀

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 13:47:28

Heart dropped at BIN.... primer...but shellac, is that a clear liquid stuff? I think the undercoat thing is I don’t want to have super attention for detail twice over on the gloss ( lazy ) once will be more than enough.
If this was a clear paint, it might be better. Off to google shellac now !

raymonReddingtonsOtherdaughter Wed 24-Jan-18 13:50:34

Ginghamstarfish, is the BIN stuff clear ( I’m hoping) , then I might consider an undercoat, and then can use quick dry gloss ! Ooo so much better, if it is .

FreezerBird Wed 24-Jan-18 13:50:45

I would avoid one coat like the plague, sorry! We used it on some doors and skirting (over undercoat/primer) and you only have to look at it for it to come off.

We had new carpet put down in one room where we'd used it and had to repaint the skirting because half the paint had been scraped off in the process of putting the carpet down. Carpet fitter said it happens a lot.

Good clean, undercoat/primer/BIN, two coats of quick-drying satinwood.


throwcushions Wed 24-Jan-18 13:56:33

As to yellowing, it will go yellow if you use oil based paint. It will rub off if you do not use oil based paint. In my experience neither issue has anything to do with whether you use one coat paint. Woodwork needs repainting fairly regularly (every 5 years in our house) due to it going yellow or rubbing off, depending on which type of paint you use. Either way you must sand!

MikeUniformMike Wed 24-Jan-18 14:05:16

Sand the gloss, and wash all woodwork with sugar soap solution before you paint.
Use quick drying paint. I would use undercoat.

Wilko is very good on prices.

You might get away with using steel wool or a wire brush instead of the sanding.
it is probably not the best time of year for painting.

Jamiefraserskilt Wed 24-Jan-18 14:06:01

Use a self priming paint like zinnser permawhite. Comes in gloss and silk. good paint that sticks to anything.

Skowvegas Wed 24-Jan-18 14:25:33

We sanded all our woodwork thoroughly, and it still took 3 coats of paint to cover up the colour. TBF we were going from sandy brown to cream.

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