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To Not Understand How There Can Be a Men-Only Event

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Nibblertron Wed 24-Jan-18 10:14:06

The charity event with captans of industry and celebs etc, with the harrassment allegations.... news.trust.org/item/20180124100129-in2a3/

How can this happen? Imagine if there was a Whites-only event, or an Able-Bodied-only event, there would be outrage.

Why is it OK to have men-only social events?

x2boys Wed 24-Jan-18 10:15:43

They have female only events though ....

Namechangetempissue Wed 24-Jan-18 10:18:55

There are many women only events, clubs and classes. We have women only swim and classes at the gym, a women only book club in the village, a womens running club...

Shineystrawberrylover Wed 24-Jan-18 10:21:18

Are the waiting staff subjected to sexual assault at women only events? They could be? This sort of elitist party obviously promotes entitled behaviour.

Ginandanything Wed 24-Jan-18 10:21:20

YABU

Of course there should be men-only events, just as there should be (and are) women-only events.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace Wed 24-Jan-18 10:23:28

Women-only events or spaces are usually conceived with the aim of empowering women, giving them space to speak, or allowing them to feel safe.

This is not that. This is a space for holding onto power, groping women, bidding for plastic surgery for your wife.

Absolute false equivalence.

Indaro Wed 24-Jan-18 10:23:45

I have no issue with men only events. I do however have a problem with any event that basically uses any other demographic for their gratification.

So if this was a women only even where young men were paraded, groped and the numerous other things alleged at this event I'd be just as angry.

The attendees and those being exploited is interchangeable. In whatever guise it's unacceptable.

McTufty Wed 24-Jan-18 10:25:32

I agree it is a false equivalence between women only events and men only events. However I would have less of an issue with this if it was a benign and well intentioned charity event rather than an excuse to treat female waitresses like pieces of meat without any women guests there to spoil the fun.

Rebeccaslicker Wed 24-Jan-18 10:27:14

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Nibblertron Wed 24-Jan-18 10:28:09

I don’t think women’s only sport clubs or events are relevant, there are sensible, logical reasons for that. I mean social events. I don’t see why segregation is necessary.

PhilODox Wed 24-Jan-18 10:29:31

Meet-up groups for survivors of testicular cancer? men only....

So what if there are men only or women only events?

People's poor behaviour cannot be excused, what sex they are is irrelevant. I'm fairly sure Rainbows don't behave like this.

e1y1 Wed 24-Jan-18 10:30:10

YABVU, there are loads of women only events.

Namechangetempissue Wed 24-Jan-18 10:31:25

There are PLENTY of women only "Butler in the Buff" and male stripper/entertainer parties -I think anything like that is grim and exploitative if it is done for any gender.
This party was obviously gross, but let's not pretend it doesn't happen the other way round too. Some old work colleagues went to a male entertainer night and were proud to announce they had groped and jumped all over not only the "entertainment" but the bar staff too -including sticking their hands down underwear. Absolutely disgusting. I agree this party was awful, but you can't say no men only events and then have women only events.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace Wed 24-Jan-18 10:32:22

what sex they are is irrelevant

Except it's not, is it? I know there are some anti-feminists on Twitter saying OH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHIPPENDALES EH EH?, but this is an issue about men, and power, and women, and the lack of.

I cannot imagine a gathering of rich, famous, powerful women, compered by a mainstream female comedian, where much younger men are told to dress in scanty clothing and matching underwear, signing a disclaimer to cover the event of them being groped or having a woman expose her genitals to them. Maybe that makes me a terrible old feminazi, but I can't/

x2boys Wed 24-Jan-18 10:34:43

Exactly Namechange years ago I went to a ladies night thing with a stripper it was really cringey and never again but it works both ways .

HuckfromScandal Wed 24-Jan-18 10:37:39

Actually - there used to be loads of women only events, these have now been infilitrated by transgender women who promote their own agenda - so we don't have women only events any more (totally off topic)

e1y1 Wed 24-Jan-18 10:42:04

Huck sorry, am risking sounding totally stupid here, but does this happen the other way round too, women who identify as men?

ptumbi Wed 24-Jan-18 10:44:49

So if this was a women only even where young men were paraded, groped and the numerous other things alleged at this event I'd be just as angry. - actually, I had to sit on my hands when my neighbour posted a pic of a young, muscular topless lad.
Loads and loads of women commented along the lines of 'phoarrrrr' and 'let me get my hands on his axe' (Axe over the shoulder Ofc hmm) It was cringy and if it hadn't been my neighbour (who is lovely normally) I'd have let rip. It's so disgusting for either sex to be dribbled and lusted over.

Bluelady Wed 24-Jan-18 10:45:13

Are you serious e1y1? Really?

Grilledaubergines Wed 24-Jan-18 10:46:35

Yabu. And the mentioning of an invasion of transgender into womens' only events etc is irrelevant. That's a totally separate issue. It doesn't negate the need for men's only.

dadshere Wed 24-Jan-18 10:47:51

As previous posters have said, there are plenty of women only events. Yoga, Pilates, Women's Institute to name a few that meet in our village hall.

e1y1 Wed 24-Jan-18 10:51:54

Yes blue I did say I was risking sounding totally stupid, but I really have next to no interest in the seeming gender issues that seem to be prevelant so much now.

I’m neither anti or pro feminist.

MrsJayy Wed 24-Jan-18 10:51:55

I think the problem with this event is much much more than men only it sounds like it was filled with rich entitled sleazy feckers all wrapped in a "it is for the kids" bow . I have been to "ladies nights" disabled women events there is no issue with X only events the problem lies with the organisers of we provide young women for your entertainment events.

Goldenbug Wed 24-Jan-18 10:52:36

Men only events are fine. Shit men only events are not.

HuckfromScandal Wed 24-Jan-18 10:53:48

e1y1
Unfortunately not in my limited experience. Transmen - ie women who now self identify as men, do not seem to be as determined to shout from the rooftops about their own agenda. They are not turning up to mens meetings demanding that they be taken more seriously than men, and they don't seem to engage in the same hostility against men as transwomen appear to have against us (women who are born women and dont have penises).

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