To think that the NHS has lost the plot

[Whatnextxx]

Regardless of your stance on the issue of "transgender ideology" how can anyone in their right minds possibly sanction the NHS NOT offering cervical smear tests to women who think they are men? Or conversely men thinking they are women being called up for tests on organs they do not possess? Please read the entire pdf before commenting, thank you:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/623309/Transgender_cross_programme_screening_leaflet.pdf

[Starryskiesinthesky]

Well, I did read the leaflet in full and while I found it a bit confusing it did seem to make sense to me - I think! I took it that if you had once been a woman and had a cervix you would be screened. If you had breast tissue you would be screened whether it was you as a woman still having your original breasts or as a man having had hormonally 'created' breasts. AAA was only if you had once been a man.

I had never considered the issue but I can see why it would need to be clarified.

[grumpygiraffe]

Exactly what bit are you objecting to?

[TrinitySquirrel]

Sorry what? All of the tests offered are applicable to women and trans women who are under going/gone hormone therapy, so they are at higher risk for breast cancers (which both sexes can get but women more so, and people who have had hormone therapy more so). The one offered to Trans women but not Trans men is because the test is only reliable in biological males, which trans women still are, regardless of what they identify as.

What exactly is your point OP?

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Im not reading the entire PDF

Its massive

There was an article in the mail (which again i didnt read the whole thing...luckily for me no one was ordering me to) which was about a man who registered as gender fluid with his dr and was 'surprised' to be offered a smear

I think this is a very unfortunate side effect of the 'confusion' between sex and gender

[JustHooking]

They can have one if they request it
If you change your sex you will be offered screening that is offered to the sex you claim you are
It's the individual here not the NHS

[showgirl]

It's quite simple. If you are registered as male you won't be invited (IT system just the way it works.) The leaflet is recommending that if you still have some cervix then make your own appointment. If you are registered as female you will be invited but it recommends that you opt out as not be necessary as you don't have a cervix.

[Whatnextxx]

As mentioned please read the entire pdf to fully comprehend the implications i.e. men will automatically be sent an invitation for a cervical smear even though they do not have a cervix if they register as a "woman" at their local GP practice. However if a woman registers as being a "man" then they will NOT be invited for a smear test - anyone who cannot see the inherent dangers in this policy needs their head examining.

[Whatnextxx]

JustHooking - did you study biology at school? It is impossible to biologically "change sex" - the best that can happen is plastic surgery to resemble the opposite sex.

[Whatnextxx]

grumpygiraffe - if I have to explain that women are being put in danger then really why bother to engage with the thread if you are unable/unwilling to see it?

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

what

Yes i think most people can see the inherent danger in it

Its the dumbest idea i have heard of...recently

[grumpygiraffe]

It isn't a "policy" - it's the way their systems work at the moment. Invitations for cervical screening automatically go to those who are registered as female. Obviously that isn't ideal.

As mentioned, please tell people what you're complaining about so people know what you're complaining about.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

But the only other way round that is to start offered get screening for everything to everybody.

Are you sure you haven’t mistaken what’s essentially an IT issue for an ideological policy issue?

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Yep i cant argue with whats last post

[Boulshired]

I can see the NHS not winning whatever they do. Send a letter and be accused of misgendering or triggering or don’t send a letter and people missing important check ups.

[Gingernaut]

OK. I apologise in advance for the Daily Fail thing.

But a guy who calls himself The King of Inkland has been invited to a smear test as he's registered himself as 'gender neutral'

Link here

Tattoo-covered Mathew Whelan, 38, registered with his GP as 'gender neutral'

He believes his body 'transcends gender' as he is 'walking, talking, breathing art'

Britain's most tattooed man receiveda letter about getting a smear test

A beardedNHSpatient who was born male has been invited to have a cervical smear test after registering as gender neutral with a GP.

Originally called Mathew Whelan but now known as 'King of Ink Land' – as Britain's most tattooed person – the patient was 'shocked' to be asked in a letter from the NHS to come in for the routine test despite not having a cervix.

The bizarre request has emerged just a week after The Mail on Sunday revealed the official NHS practice is that transgender people will be invited to be tested according to the gender they register with their doctor – unless they specify otherwise.

The guidance, in a booklet titled 'NHS Screening Programmes – Information for Trans People', has also resulted in transgender patients no longer being invited for potentially life-saving routine tests, such as for breast cancer in people who were born female but have registered as male with their GP.

The patient who received the request – now known after a name change by deed poll as King of Ink Land King Body Art The Extreme Ink-Ite, or Body Art for short – prefers to be known as neither male nor female and uses the gender-neutral title 'Mx'.

Speaking last night to The Mail on Sunday, the 38-year-old said: 'I thought seriously this can't be right.

'This is a letter and booklet that could go to someone who really needed it. It's such a massive waste of time.

'If I wanted to, I could book an appointment and go along just to prove the whole craziness of this.

'I guarantee that I haven't got any of those body parts.'

Talking about registering as gender-neutral with the NHS last year, Body Art said: 'I registered as Mx with my GP at the end of last year.

'I was born male, I'm straight and I date women. I wear men's clothes and use the men's toilets.

'But I'm transgender in the sense that I have 'transformed' my body, rather than because I identify with any particular gender.

'I've transformed by staining my skin with tattoos.

'I've stained my eyeballs and had body sculpting done, including silicone implants in my left arm, right hand and chest.'

It is not clear whether the smear test letter means Body Art, an entrepreneur from Birmingham, will from now be treated as both male and female in NHS screening programmes.

Left-wing feminist Linda Bellos said: 'This is just silly. But on a more serious note, I think the NHS is just jumping on a gender bandwagon and endangering lives.

'This just sounds like the National Health Service getting their knickers in a twist.'

Cervical cancer claims the lives of 900 women each year in Britain.

Without the NHS screening programme, the number would be much higher.

Anne Mackie, Public Health England's director of screening, said: 'Millions of screening invites are generated using GP data on patients' sex and age.

'Where people feel they are not being referred correctly, they can speak to their GP or the screening service to ensure they are offered the right services.'

Gingernaut. Reporting from the Daily Fail and Fail on Sunday, so you don't have to.

Off to shower with antimicrobial cleanser now

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Thats the article i was referring to ginger great minds think alike

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

And the king of ink sounds like an idiot

[Gingernaut]

And the king of ink sounds like an idiot

Word.

[Whatnextxx]

This speaks volumes: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/14/women-identify-men-not-offered-routine-nhs-breast-cancer-screening/

[NewYearNewMe18]

A computer sent it out. I doubt the NHS lost its plot at all.

[grumpygiraffe]

Oh, I see - it was the usual transphobic shit after all.

I'm sure that everybody who was born female but identifies as male is grateful for your concern.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

How is it transphobic shit?

[CinderellaRockefeller]

But there isn’t a particular field on the go it system for “has cervix/doesn’t have cervix” or “has testicles/doesn’t have testicles”. There is a field for male/female as up until recently the general assumption was that the two would match appropriately. In the individual patient notes it will have the detail.

The system doesn’t know what’s in the notes as they require interpretation and flags the patient as due for smear test as their gender = female and smear test = not had for three years.

I suspect everyone is a) massively oversestimatig how clever the system is and b) massively underestimating how difficult and expensive it is to change it to add anything to it, especially something as niche as this.

If trans men retain their cervix then they are responsible for getting a smear as part of their healthcare. I don’t understand what the issue is.

The article in the Mail was just looking for attention - Just ignore the bloody letter.

[PeaceLoveAndDixie]

However if a woman registers as being a "man" then they will NOT be invited for a smear test - anyone who cannot see the inherent dangers in this policy needs their head examining.
But that is the fault of the cervix owner not disclaiming that fact to their clinician. Do you think all GPs should perform thorough physical examinations before registering their patients or just rely on them to disclose something that relevant?