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A man who has a photo of you in bed with him is entitled to sex

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Bananamanfan Thu 18-Jan-18 07:17:07

AIBU in thinking the reporting of this story is totally irresponsible given the low reporting of rapes by victims.
The BBC are harping on about this FFS! It all perpetuates the myth that false accusations of rape are at epidemic proportions. I really think we are travelling backwards through time at the moment.

IJoinedJustToPostThis Thu 18-Jan-18 07:22:05

I haven't seen the details of the case, I've just heard that because there are photos of the two cuddling, the trial collapsed. I hope there's more to it than that, otherwise no woman is ever safe to take a photo with a man.

NewYearNewMe18 Thu 18-Jan-18 07:26:10

Sensationalist reporting. We haven't actually been given any evidence or circumstances other than the photos have come to light.

She makes a rape accusation. He maintains he's innocent. Photos show her cozied up and smiling. Who do you think the jury are going to believe?

Whatshallidonowpeople Thu 18-Jan-18 07:27:47

Were the pics taken the night the rape took place?

IJoinedJustToPostThis Thu 18-Jan-18 07:28:36

Depends on the other evidence, I guess. Rape within relationships etc isn't exactly unknown.

0ccamsRazor Thu 18-Jan-18 07:31:40

There really is a huge push back on women's issues by men.

Feels as though we are traveling back in time sad

Rape is rape, doesn't matter if someone has shared a bed, what about rapes within a relationship?

Fuck angry

GreenStripyTowel Thu 18-Jan-18 07:33:56

I don't know which case this is, but I'm just so so sad that so many people in this day and age appear to find it hard to believe that someone a woman has previously had consensual sex with can then rape her. Even if the picture was taken on the night of the rape it means exactly nothing.
Hearsay is not allowed as evidence in any other type of case - why is it still essentially allowed in rape cases?

I know from personal experience that it is possible to willingly get into bed with someone, have a laugh and a nice time with them, and for them to subsequently rape you.

yesAndHo Thu 18-Jan-18 07:35:16

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brownelephant Thu 18-Jan-18 07:37:55

yanbu
it ridiculous

even having had sex previously with consent doesn't mean he hasn't raped her.

I believe her.
the photos prove nothing and should be inadmissible as evidence.

Andrewofgg Thu 18-Jan-18 07:40:12

The point is the failure of the police or the CPS or both to make proper disclosure to the defence of everything in their possession which undermined the prosecution case. If the complainant denied ever having been to bed with the defendant these photos undermined her credibility and were disclosable.

GreenStripyTowel Thu 18-Jan-18 07:41:24

There have been a slew of false accusations or collapsed prosecutions recently

Not aware of the myth that false accusations are epidemic yet perpetuating it in the same post? Nice.

A collapsed prosecution does NOT equal a false allegation. HTH

BarbarianMum Thu 18-Jan-18 07:41:47

Of course it is possible to go willingly to bed with someone and still be raped. I'm guessing that the pictures significantly undermine the accuser's account in some way.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Thu 18-Jan-18 07:42:44

It depends on her version of events. I don’t want to engage in detailed speculation but if she gave a timeline of the crime which is completely incompatible with this photo then of course it’s admissible.

VikingVolva Thu 18-Jan-18 07:42:57

It the undermining of her account that is the issue.

Not that the undermining was by photographs.

Yes, false allegations are rare. That's why they make the news. And women who make them should be absolutely pilloried, because the harm done by false accusations is wholly disproportionate to their small number.

Eltonjohnssyrup Thu 18-Jan-18 07:55:01

Nobody is saying what you complain in your thread title, don't be ridiculous OP. They were taken on the day, they met at the Notting Hill carnival and it happened that day.

It may well significantly undermine her account: e.g. she says that she was dressed the entire time and stayed in his living room and her raped her. Or that she didn't admit being consensually naked in bed with him.

Whatever it is the CPS have said there is no case to answer so it totally undermine it. Given that there have been and have almost been several miscarriages of justice recently due to suppressed evidence I find pitchfork waving and 'no smoke without fire' posts with deliberately misleading and inflammatory titles a bit distasteful.

Eltonjohnssyrup Thu 18-Jan-18 07:56:43

Not aware of the myth that false accusations are epidemic yet perpetuating it in the same post? Nice.

A collapsed prosecution does NOT equal a false allegation. HTH

In the recent cases they have.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 Thu 18-Jan-18 08:00:25

elton

In the recent cases they have

Do you have evidence if this as I haven't been able to find any

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 Thu 18-Jan-18 08:02:35

Would also agree that it may be the reporting that is the issue

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PatriarchyPersonified Thu 18-Jan-18 08:05:38

The main issue I have with this case is that the CPS had previously examined the phone and decided there was nothing of interest on it. It then took a defence expert to find the pictures and raise this as an issue, at which point the case could not continue.

So we are expected to believe that the CPS thought that naked photos of the accused and the defendant together, taken at the same time the alleged rape took place, were not important?!

What a load of bollocks. Sounds like someone at the CPS was chasing a prosecution and it veers dangerously close to suppressing evidence.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 Thu 18-Jan-18 08:07:06

only moral and just belief should be that the raper isn't lying

What now

(Love the name...not keen on the posts smile)

araiwa Thu 18-Jan-18 08:07:19

How can anyone say they do or dont believe either party without knowing the details of the case? Such a strange position to take.

A photo (maybe even with a time / date stamp) may be important evidence in the case. But again we have no idea about the specifics so we cant know

Greatestshowgirl Thu 18-Jan-18 08:13:12

Can't see this story on bbc news?

PatriarchyPersonified Thu 18-Jan-18 08:15:28

LINK

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