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To wonder why only Transwomen get talked about on here

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Curiositykilledthecat113 Tue 12-Dec-17 01:01:43

If transpeople are such a threat then why is it only transwomen which are a threat

Curiositykilledthecat113 Tue 12-Dec-17 01:02:26

Posted too soon. I don’t understand why only transwomen are talked about on here, transmen exist too? Why is it that

AnneLovesGilbert Tue 12-Dec-17 01:05:37

If you want to talk about transmen then go for it.

oliveinacampervan Tue 12-Dec-17 01:06:10

I don't ever talk about either one. I have no interest.

So I'm fucked if I know!

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Tue 12-Dec-17 01:09:27

Probably because transwomen are the ones who are the shouting the loudest. I honestly cannot think of a single high profile vocal transman but I can think of several vocal high profile transwomen. The posts on here are simply a reflection of that.

And nobody on here has claimed that trans people are a threat. Stop making shit up.

oliveinacampervan Tue 12-Dec-17 01:10:51

Why would transwomen be a threat?

To whom?

Battleax Tue 12-Dec-17 01:11:36

Transmen don't seem to be so outspoken or demanding. Plus they're not to trying to claim space and services from the menstruating/birthing/lactating "weaker" sex. Hence "pregnant people", sport disadvantage, DV and rape services are all contested areas that concern biological men laying claim to women's territory.

oliveinacampervan Tue 12-Dec-17 01:12:17

If you mean OP, that women BORN women would be threatened or jealous of a trans women, you have to be fucking kidding!

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree Tue 12-Dec-17 01:12:50

The only stories I have ready about in the news/social media have all been about TIMs. Apart from one that involved a TIM and a TIF who had a baby and were raising it as gender neutral. But overwhelmingly the stuff that gets in the news is about TIMs. MN discusses what is in the news.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Tue 12-Dec-17 01:15:15

Of course transwomen aren't a threat.

Predatory men who use self identification to their advantage and pretend to be trans in order to gain easier access to women however are a threat.

CheshireChat Tue 12-Dec-17 02:13:09

Because they mostly seem to be getting on with their lives without causing issues so good for them.

Not as easygoing the other way around due to both biology and socialisation.

itsbetterthanabox Tue 12-Dec-17 18:07:46

If men have an issue with trans men they can talk about that.

WappersReturns Tue 12-Dec-17 20:58:58

My child may or may not be FtM trans but at the moment is still identifying as a lesbian girl so I'll refer her as she.

During her exploration of her sexuality and gender issues she's been subjected to abuse from trans activists who object to her choice of changing room (she uses the school staff room as she's a survivor of abuse), called her a gender traitor because she identifies as a masculine lesbian at the moment and sent personal messages on a trans discussion board that she hoped to use for support, telling her she's a bigot because she doesn't feel as though she could have a relationship with someone who has a penis.

Not one of these disgusting people were female to male trans. Every one was a male to female trans person.
Now I have been vocal in my support of every person presenting and living exactly how they wish and I actually left MN and deactivated my old account because I felt defensive of my child reading the trans related threads. Until all of the above happened and I realised that nobody objects to people like my child.
It cannot be coincidence that trans men are not bullying and intimidating people to get their way. They aren't shouting from the rooftops about how their rights trump anyone elses, they aren't demanding mens spaces or positions or sports. They just live. That's the difference between a trans person and a trans activist. Spot the trans man in the rush to be heard... You won't find many. They're female.

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 12-Dec-17 21:37:48

Oooh! Well put Wappers! Have wine have brew have cake

Betty185 Tue 12-Dec-17 22:39:38

It's men generally that are a greater threat (e.g. men commit 96% of sex offences) and extending the definition of transwoman to include anyone who says they are a woman (without hormones, surgery or a diagnosis of gender dysphoria) will allow a lot of male predators access to women's changing rooms, refuges, prisons, rape crisis services etc - so it's not specifically about transwomen, it's about what the proposed legislation will result in.

In terms of transwomen v transmen:

- Transwomen were socialised as men so feel more entitled to put themselves first and demand what they want whereas transmen were socialised as women to put the needs of others first and be less demanding (particularly in relation to biological men, whose space they would be claiming - and bio men wouldn't take it and wouldn't be expected to take it like women are).

- Women have more to fear from biological men than men have to fear from biological women. If I was in a female-only changing room and man walked in and started stripping off, I would be scared. If a woman walked into the men's changing room and started stripping off - well, some guys might cheer, some might feel uncomfortable about it but they wouldn't feel frightened that they are going to be raped.

- There just isn't a male equivalent of a lot of the stuff that is going on e.g with transwomen competing in women's sport and beating women because they have male muscles, a male skeleton and (even with hormone treatment) testerone levels much higher than any biological woman). I've never heard of a transman competing in men's professional sport and they definitely wouldn't be winning.

ArcheryAnnie Tue 12-Dec-17 23:15:01

Wappers I am so sorry your DD is being treated that way. I wish that was the first story like that I'v heard, but it's not, alas.

flowers

StickThatInYourPipe Tue 12-Dec-17 23:35:17

Wappers Tell Your dd to get off of those fecking sites! She does not deserve that sort of support and is very lucky she has you to talk to. God help any child going through anything like this without understanding parents. Especially when you add these internet sites which basically just slam biological women, no matter what their reason for being in the groups.

Isn’t it amusing that the people who are slamming your daughter because of who she loves are the same ones banging on about tolerance and equality?

Betty185 Tue 12-Dec-17 23:37:45

I wish that was the first story like that I'v heard, but it's not, alas.

The thing is, I used to know what to say to young people (or their parents) who were struggling with their sexuality or being bullied for it. I've been a young lesbian myself and then spent a number of years as an adult volunteering at lesbian and gay youth groups. I would have put them in touch with LGB organisations and encouraged them to find a local youth group where they could spend at least for a few hours a week in a safe environment where they could make friends and speak with other people who understood. Now LGBT organisations/forums etc are the worst place they can go and where they are most likely to hear this kind of abuse. sad

CherryChasingDotMuncher Tue 12-Dec-17 23:38:38

Because they are men and men oppress women. And men, as a class, rape, beat and abuse women at alarming rates.

A woman in a blokes changing room poses little threat

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Tue 12-Dec-17 23:44:02

Also everything Betty said.

Women as a class are not a threat to men. Men as a class on the other hand are a threat to woman.

A man is not likely going to be bothered about a trans identified woman sharing their toilets because they know they are highly unlikely to be assaulted by them. And even if the transman did try to assault them then the men still have the upper hand because the transman is still very likely to be physically smaller and weaker than them.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Tue 12-Dec-17 23:44:55

*women

FaFoutis Tue 12-Dec-17 23:47:10

Is that you Katie?

RoseWhiteTips Tue 12-Dec-17 23:49:33

oliveinacampervan

If you mean OP, that women BORN women would be threatened or jealous of a trans women, you have to be fucking kidding!

That sums up my feelings too. The tail is trying to wag the dog and it is utterly daft.

PersianCatLady Tue 12-Dec-17 23:50:02

Men with vaginas don't worry me as much as women with penises, that is why

GardenGeek Tue 12-Dec-17 23:53:44

Because this will never affect men negatively.

A male cant be raped by a FTM
A male cant be biologically disadvantaged by a FTM
Males aren't under-represented so its not as if they would be 'replaced'
Males aren't intimidated by Women so wont be of a FTM

I cant think of a single way a male could be disadvantaged by a FTM

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