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Is O for onion?

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Shadow666 Sat 02-Dec-17 12:15:46

A discussion at work.

The context is an alphabet book for young learners learning the alphabet. It says O is for onion. It then has writing practice for Oo and an octopus to colour in. I thought it was odd, but next week we are doing "u is for uniform".

Is it just me who thinks they should stick to things that work phonetically or am I wrong here?

InsomniacAnonymous Sat 02-Dec-17 12:21:58

Well it might prevent them thinking that you spell 'onion' as 'union' and recognise that a letter can sound different in different words. We don't spell every word phonetically after all.

ferrier Sat 02-Dec-17 12:24:46

I wouldn't buy it if it wasn't phonics based if that's any help.

jaimelannistersgoldenhand Sat 02-Dec-17 12:25:20

Having read lots of alphabet books. O is for octopus and u is for umbrella in most. I speak with a Southern accent so octopus and umbrella sound phonetically closest.

fricative Sat 02-Dec-17 12:50:39

o - octopus.
u - umbrella, umbilical, unimaginative, upheaval ...

Anything else is a hindrance for phonics.

CheapSausagesAndSpam Sat 02-Dec-17 12:52:23

I'm a Northerner so onion sounds like UNion when I say it.

Shadow666 Sat 02-Dec-17 13:47:06

Well it might prevent them thinking that you spell 'onion' as 'union' and recognise that a letter can sound different in different words. We don't spell every word phonetically after all.

Yes, that's what I am wondering about even though it is a phonics-based course. I've kind of come to the conclusion that the people who make these ESL materials can't speak English very well.

zeebeedee Sat 02-Dec-17 14:14:14

We have a big alphabet poster up where I work, and on it, g is for giraffe - it's okayish if you say 'gee' but if you use 'guh' it really doesn't work - what's wrong with a gate?

SnoozeTime Sat 02-Dec-17 14:16:58

Phonetic alphabet: O is for Oscar
For children learning sounds in School: O is for Orange

fricative Sun 03-Dec-17 03:48:05


As someone who works in Linguistics, calling that the phonetic alphabet drives me crazy. I know that it's the proper name but it's confusing as hell for many people.

Of course, the purpose of Alpha, Bravo, Charlie etc is for clarity and not initial sounds.

SnoozeTime Sun 03-Dec-17 13:27:51

fricative what is the correct word? I thought that is what it is called. The school book for sounds has Phonics in the title. Is that the correct word?

Crunchymum Sun 03-Dec-17 13:30:36

Phonics and the phonetic alphabet are actually very different things (we're doing phonics with our reception age DC)

HidingBehindTheWallpaper Sun 03-Dec-17 13:31:02

I moved into a new classroom once which had a letter chart on the wall.

G is for gnome......

runningoutofjuice Sun 03-Dec-17 13:58:40

.... and K is for knowledge
P is for pneumonia
T is for tsar
W is for wrestle

Trying to think of the worst alphabet book examples grin

KurriKurri Sun 03-Dec-17 14:49:22

O for the garden wall (is what one of my old teachers used to say) grin

runningoutofjuice Sun 03-Dec-17 15:35:38

Ooh yes, the cockney alphabet.
A for 'orses
B for mutton
C for miles
D ?
E for brick
F for vescence etcgrin

insancerre Sun 03-Dec-17 15:41:58

I binned a jigsaw at the nursery where I work that had g for giraffe and i for ice cream

KurriKurri Sun 03-Dec-17 17:31:04

I can't remember D either runningoutofjuice (My teacher used to say C for the Highlanders - which was supposed to be Seaforth Highlanders - but he was pretty ancient, that regiment maybe doesn't exist any more !)

runningoutofjuice Sun 03-Dec-17 21:50:20

D for est-ation. That's the best I can do! grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 03-Dec-17 22:00:12

Wouldn't 'D' be for Mutton... as in 'mutton and jeff - deaf'? <ponders>

HidingBehindTheWallpaper Sun 03-Dec-17 22:02:21

No, it’s B for Mutton as in beef or mutton.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper Sun 03-Dec-17 22:02:58

I do remember ‘L for Leather’

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 03-Dec-17 22:04:14

Oh. Ignore me, I've got this very muddled I can see. blush

HidingBehindTheWallpaper Sun 03-Dec-17 22:04:26

A for 'orses (hay for horses)
B for mutton (beef or mutton)
C for 'th highlanders (Seaforth Highlanders)
D for 'ential (deferential)
E for Adam (Eve or Adam)
F for 'vescence (effervescence)
G for police (chief of police)
H for respect (age for respect)
I for Novello (Ivor Novello)
J for oranges (Jaffa oranges)
K for 'ancis, (Kay Francis), or K for undressing
L for leather (Hell for leather)
M for 'sis (emphasis)
N for 'adig (in for a dig, or infra dig.)
O for the garden wall (over the garden wall)
P for a penny (pee for a penny)
Q for a song (cue for a song), or Q for billiards (cue for billiards)
R for mo' (half a mo')
S for you (it's for you)
T for two (tea for two)
U for films (UFA films)
V for La France (vive la France)
W for a bob (double you for a bob)
X for breakfast (eggs for breakfast)
Y for Gawd's sake (why, for God's sake)
Z for breezes (zephyr breezes, see West wind)

PiggyPlumPie Sun 03-Dec-17 22:05:41

D fer ential

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