LBC.... Trans women and non trans women.

[therealposieparker]

AIBU to expect us to be called women?
At first we're cis, then non men and now non-trans?

What the hell is happening?

[ClaryFray]

I don't know. I don't care.

I call myself a women, cause I was born one. End off. Doesn't bother me what others refer to my sex. If someone insisted on calling me non trans to my face though there would be issues.

[picklemepopcorn]

LBC? In what context?

[ItWentInMyEye]

I don't like being called cis, because I'm a woman and want to be known as one. What other people want to call themselves doesn't really bother me.

[Fekko]

So what are men called these days?

[hazeyjane]

Men. Preferably MEN.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

TIMs (trans identifying male) and women would be my preferred terms. Transwomen are not a subset of women

[Fekko]

I identify as being a miserable old bat.

[hazeyjane]

No a transwoman is a transwoman, and as a transwoman deserves equal rights and respect and to live a life free from bullying. But a transwoman is not a woman.

[GinSoddenWhore]

No Friend. They are not women. Saying it doesn't make it true.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

No a transwoman is a transwoman,

No a Transwoman is a man who identifies as trans. I agree with the rest of what you wrote though

I am starting to not use the term transwomen and I think it gives them undue legitimacy

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

They are not a subset or anything else just women, like you and me

They really really arent

[thelonelyhamster]

Transwomen are not a subset of women

Women are not a subset of women either... that's what bothers me more. Not people wishing to identify into being a woman so much as the relegation of women even further down the pecking order.

Transwomen are women, actual women are a subset. Bonkers.

[CherryChasingDotMuncher]

They are not a subset or anything else just women, like you and me

Care to offer a definition of ‘woman’ without using the word ‘woman’ or a sexist stereotype?

[ScipioAfricanus]

This is insanity. I’m not non-trans anymore than I’m non-butterfly.

[Thedriftofstars]

So having a penis makes you a woman, Friend?

[shutitandtidyupgitface]

Yanbu to want to be called a women, YABU to TransWoman in your Title both you and them are just women no quailifers

NO. I am a woman. A person with a penis is not a woman of any kind, never mind is one just the same as I am.

This madness has to be challenged.

[LaContessaDiPlump]

Transwomen are not women. They can identify as women all they like and I'll nod politely and use their preferred pronouns, but we're not the same, anymore than I'd be a man just because I declared myself to be one.

[shutitandtidyupgitface]

some women can have a penis makes them no less a woman

Hello, Earth calling. Penis= not a woman.

[streetlife70s]

‘A woman’ is born with xx chromosomes and is born with a vagina, uterus, ovaries etc. Unless there is a specific medical abnormality that clouds the chromosomal distinction, a woman is an adult female.

If someone is born with XY chromosomes, is born with male sex organs and no female reproductive organs they are male.

Anything else including feelings, dress codes, behaviour or appearance cannot be used to change the biological facts.

[crunchtime]

having a penis is the very thing that prevents you from being a woman.

This really is the most bonkers thing ever!

Transpeople have every right to a decent life, to wear what they want, act as they like and have protection under law in terms of employment etc howver they are NOT women.

[hazeyjane]

Of course, a woman can have a penis, testicles, a tail, a full set of working mandibles and a unicorn horn. Anything is possible if you just believe.

Sod it, have it then, bugger biology, a transwoman is a woman. I'm a fucking goddess.

[pisacake]

"Yanbu to want to be called a women, YABU to TransWoman in your Title both you and them are just women no quailifers."

Says who?

Woman is a matter of biological fact.

Transwoman is literally meaningless, trans people themselves say so - someone is trans if they say they are trans.

Trans is an opinion.

Woman is biology.