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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly Mon 30-Oct-17 13:07:05

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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Gumpendorf Mon 30-Oct-17 13:10:08

Thanks Perking . Like the title.

Charges against Manafort:
Count One: Conspiracy against the United States grin

The full indictment can be downloaded here

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 30-Oct-17 13:10:48

Oh, happy day!

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:13:38

Thanks Perking--love the title.

Had to go out and dawdle because the wait was too much. grin

31 pages of indictment.

catgirl1976 Mon 30-Oct-17 13:13:45

Turning myself in

Natsku Mon 30-Oct-17 13:14:21

Nice title Perking grin

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 30-Oct-17 13:15:16

Radio 4 World at One doing good analysis now.

TheHeraldOfAndraste Mon 30-Oct-17 13:17:39

Bigly, yuge placemark.

cozietoesie Mon 30-Oct-17 13:20:18

Thanks, Perking. smile

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:21:44

catgirl grin

NameChangeFamousFolk Mon 30-Oct-17 13:22:21

Where's this going? Will Manafort cough up that Trump's in it up to his neck and make a deal?

Does anyone think that Trump will try to fire Mueller? I know this is fraught path, but this IS Trump we're talking about.

Lovely stuff anyway.

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:27:54

Manafort will try to save himself,

Who are the others involved in this 'conspiracy'?

PerkingFaintly Mon 30-Oct-17 13:28:25

From the Indictment:

1. Defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., (MANAFORT) and RICHARD W. GATES III (GATES) served for years as political consultants and lobbyists. Between at least 2006 and 2015, MANAFORT and GATES acted as unregistered agents of the Government of the Ukraine, the Party of Regions (a Ukrainian political party whose leader Victor Yanukovich was President from 2010 to 2014), Yanukovych, and the Opposition Bloc (a successor to the Party of Regions that formed in 2014 when Yanukovych fled to Russia). MANAFORT and GATES generated tens of millions of dollars in income as a result of their Ukraine work. In order to hide Ukraine payments from United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, MANAFORT and GATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts.

2. In furtherance of the scheme, MANAFORT and GATES funneled millions of dollars in payments into foreign nominee companies and bank accounts, opened by them and their accomplices in nominee names and in various foreign countries, including Cyprus, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines (Grenadines), and the Seychelles. MANAFORT and GATES hid the existence of the foreign companies and bank accounts, falsely and repeatedly reporting to their tax preparers and to the United States that they had no foreign bank accounts.

3. In furtherance of the scheme, MANAFORT and GATES concealed from the United States their work as agents of, and millions of dollars in payments from, Ukraine and its political parties and leaders. Because MANAFORT and GATES, among other things, directed a campaign to lobby United States officials on behalf of the Government of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine,and Ukrainian political parties, they were required by law to report to the United States their work and fees. MANAFORT and GATES did not do so...

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:29:22

George Takei‏Verified account @GeorgeTakei 3m3 minutes ago
There are 12 charges. It rather evokes a Xmas carol: “On the first day of charges, Mueller gave to me: Manafort on treas’nous conspiracy!”

PerkingFaintly Mon 30-Oct-17 13:29:27

Of course, innocent until proven

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:30:14

'Today has zero to do with the White House' (Trumpery source).

Dunlurking Mon 30-Oct-17 13:30:56

Thanks for the new thread. Looking forward to an afternoon read of the indictment.

Roussette Mon 30-Oct-17 13:34:21

Thank you Perking!

cozietoesie Mon 30-Oct-17 13:36:34

I take it that there will be bail hearings? smile

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:37:38

PlectrumElectrum Mon 30-Oct-17 13:40:23

Bigly place mark.

OhYouBadBadKitten Mon 30-Oct-17 13:40:32

A pity I have to resume work in a few minutes. They are some pretty mega serious charges!

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:41:14

Thread in progress.

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account
Following Following *@renato*_mariotti
THREAD: My very preliminary / initial thoughts on the indictment of Paul Manafort and Richard Gates.

lionheart Mon 30-Oct-17 13:43:40


RedToothBrush Mon 30-Oct-17 13:45:06

Indictment cover period 2006 to 2016. So does that include the campaign period or not?

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