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To think this will be one of the big scandals of our time?

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Betty184 Sun 29-Oct-17 09:39:08

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar Sun 29-Oct-17 09:44:38

Absolutely. May the realisation come sooner rather than later, though. It's a bloody run away train.

Alisvolatpropiis Sun 29-Oct-17 09:45:11

Yanbu I completely agree with you

ASmallSteph Sun 29-Oct-17 09:45:47

The future fallout is worrying.

2014newme Sun 29-Oct-17 09:45:54


Betty184 Sun 29-Oct-17 09:46:12

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Ttbb Sun 29-Oct-17 09:47:57

It's shocking isn't it. I'm glad that society is more accepting of individuals who decide to have a sex change after years of therapy and soul searching but if this is the cost then it is too high. It's not just the medical profession that are to blame though, parents are too quick to pass on the responsibility for emotionally caring for their children onto health professionals, schools and sometimes, their children's peers.

Backingvocals Sun 29-Oct-17 10:07:31

That Australian piece is great.

formerbabe Sun 29-Oct-17 10:10:02

I knew before I clicked on this thread what it would be about.

Yes, I do believe in decades to come that it will be seen as a scandal.

mylittlefidget Sun 29-Oct-17 10:10:38

Exactly what I've been thinking. I spent my childhood feeling like I was a boy in a girl's body. I'm now a very happy woman and today's approach to gender and reassignment would have done me so much harm.

Warhammerwidow89 Sun 29-Oct-17 10:17:17

It's mad! I think the world has gone absolute bonkers! These things shouldn't be readily available! It should be difficult so people consider it properly.

And it shouldn't be available to children

solarisWasAClassic Sun 29-Oct-17 10:21:35


I think you know exactly what this thread is going to be. A load of people agreeing how women are being "eroded".

Within the first 50 replies, it'll start talking about toilets and sports.

Someone'll have a different view and be called a "s/he" or 'MRA".

Male violence will come into it, tenuously linked from trans people in prisons.

Within 100 replies, there'll be a couple of comments about it being mtf not ftm transsexuals wanting "access to women"

By reply 326, the usual people will have posted the usual replies and it'll all peter out.

WorkingItOutAsIGo Sun 29-Oct-17 10:21:45

That is a wonderful article.

WorkingItOutAsIGo Sun 29-Oct-17 10:22:42

And your point is what, Solaris?

Sara107 Sun 29-Oct-17 10:24:21

It's such a sensitive topic and arouses such strong feelings on all sides. I heard a researcher interviewed on the Today programme who wanted to run a study looking at the topic, how many people are happy or regret the decisions made ( whether to change or not change). Anyway, his funding was withdrawn because the university came under pressure. If people can't even carry out research there can't possibly be a rational debate.

ALittleBitOfButter Sun 29-Oct-17 10:30:44


Battleax Sun 29-Oct-17 10:33:04


Stillpissingdown Sun 29-Oct-17 10:34:22

Wow the Australian post is great.

It's all getting s bit 'emperor and his new clothes' isn't it.

It's utterly bizzare that the NHS are chomping at the bit to wizz these kids through I feel like I'm missing something ...

I just can't understand why common sense has gone out the window

coldcanary Sun 29-Oct-17 10:36:02

That’s a good piece. I didn’t know that about Rupert Everett, must read up on it - I’m assuming he got a load of abuse for his views?

coldcanary Sun 29-Oct-17 10:37:03

YANBU by the way. I wonder how some of these kids will feel when they’re adults?

Therealslimshady1 Sun 29-Oct-17 10:40:26

The irony of the phrase" it emasculates the rights of women" (first paragraph) ....

I agree with (some of) the sentiment, but the choice of the word "emasculate" is unfortunate/amusing!

Would love to know numbers, how many trans people are there, and what percentage of them has changed back?

stolemyusername Sun 29-Oct-17 10:50:19

I can’t see how a person of 14 can be utterly sure of who they want to be for the rest of their life. At that age I was desperately ‘in love’ with my then boyfriend and thought I had my whole life mapped out. A year later and my axis had shifted massively and my ‘wants’ continued to change pretty much with the season. There is no way that at such a young age I was capable of making rationally thought out decisions that would positively effect the rest of my life.

stolemyusername Sun 29-Oct-17 10:53:49

Solaris so none of the points you have raised matter? The feelings of those born with female anatomy don’t have the same rights as those who want to be a woman?

I want to be a millionaire, I want to be slim, I want many things.** Does that mean that society should give it all to me? Or does it mean that we simply have to deal the cards we have been dealt?

whiteroseredrose Sun 29-Oct-17 10:55:14

YANBU. We're in an Emperor's new clothes situation. Nobody dare say anything for fear of the consequences.

When I was at Uni we had the Paedophile Information Exchange affiliated to The National Council for Civil Liberties as a campaign group. Thank God that madness is over.

AlpacaLypse Sun 29-Oct-17 10:56:47

Brilliant article thanks for posting it.

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