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1DAD2KIDS Thu 26-Oct-17 10:19:06

I was out for dinner the other night with my mate, his old buisness friend from New York (she was in London for buisness) and a few others. Anyway talk got to politics and she said I voted for Trump. Well the table when silent (sort of like that Harry Enfield Women Know Your Limits video when the woman expresses a political opinion of her own).

Anyway it got me thinking and challenging the stereotype of a 'typical' Trump supporter. This lady is no redneck, she is a lovely, kind, highly educated and intelligent lady. When I think about it in effectively a two party system were you can either vote A or B is voting for Trump that looney? Trump is rightfully vilified but was Clinton wrongfully given a free ride? Is she not a sinister figure herself? People who live in glass houses spring to mind.

Look at the alternative, Clinton. Someone who was backed finanialy by people who oppress women, oppress homosexuality and genrally oppress human rights. She is a woman that often made provocative threats to start conflicts against countries like Iran. Someone I see as quite a sinister character with fingers in many pies. Most of all a vote for Hillary was a vote for no change (which is fine if your happy with the status quo).

I sort of see being a voter at the time as being stuck between a rock and a hard place. So if your an American who has been disenfranchised, have not benefited from or felt forgotten about by the last administration would you vote for more of the same? Or would you take a chance on someone who offers change? Personally I think Trump is a complete disaster and a massive turd. But I think we fail to understand many of the people who voted for him. Instead we just demonise them all as thick bigoted rednecs. We blame the voters but I see Trump as the symptom not the cause of America's problems. In a way I see his election as symptomatic of the failure of the last administration for many Americans. So why would anyone who felt failed by their government vote for more of the same? Oddly I think many people who voted for Trump would have voted for Burnie given the option (as if the powers that be in the democrats would have ever let him stand).

Orangeplastic Thu 26-Oct-17 10:24:40

Someone who was backed finanialy by people who oppress women, oppress homosexuality and genrally oppress human rights. She is a woman that often made provocative threats to start conflicts against countries like Iran. Someone I see as quite a sinister character with fingers in many pies. Where are your links and proof for all these accusations - please?

WhooooAmI24601 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:28:03

I don't think Trump voters are unfairly judged. They had the right to vote for whoever they like and now that they've done that they're reaping what they've sown. Likewise I don't think Trump himself is unfairly judged; he genuinely is a dreadful, dreadful representative. I'd have spoiled my ballot before I'd voted for Trump. I'd have voted for a drunk monkey before voting for him, tbh.

I do think it speaks volumes about a political party that their best candidate was a misogynistic buffoon with the vocabulary of a drunk pirate. And one who, as it turns out, has been potentially the worst President in recent history.

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Thu 26-Oct-17 10:31:09

No, they are not judged unfairly. They are all complicit in the turdiness. Shit sticks.

Humpsfor20yards Thu 26-Oct-17 10:34:32

Is she happy with his "achievements" so far?

Yamayo Thu 26-Oct-17 10:34:33

No.

Humpsfor20yards Thu 26-Oct-17 10:35:43

trump voters are the problem. They voted for the moron.

CardsforKittens Thu 26-Oct-17 10:36:39

I'll never be able to get my head around the idea of women voting for a man who has been repeatedly accused of sexual assault, especially after his pussy-grabbing remarks. Just don't understand. How???

TheSnowFairy Thu 26-Oct-17 10:38:48

YABU.

Worst decision ever.

ilovesooty Thu 26-Oct-17 10:38:54

No.

Yamayo Thu 26-Oct-17 10:40:55

In fact the longer his 'presidency' goes on the worse he gets.
Insulting the disabled, war widows, terrorism victims, hurricane victims...

Hating Obama so much he is dismantling world treaties and agreements and casually discussing WWIII like it's a fucking 80s movies...

The man is even more abhorrent that we imagined.

People who voted for him are responsible for unleashing him on the world. Fact is he told his voters what he was going to do time and time again. They can't plead ignorance.
I remember seeing footage of his rallies- his supporters were often saying 'he's not really going to do all that it's just mind games etc
Well guess what- he's doing it. And he told you.

TenForward82 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:41:27

Trump voters weren't all rednecks though. A lot of educated white women voted for him, probably due to internalised misogyny and racism.

ImminentDisaster Thu 26-Oct-17 10:42:03

No, they are not treated unfairly. They knowingly voted for a monster.

AnUtterIdiot Thu 26-Oct-17 10:45:13

I don't understand why people say "white and educated people voted for him, not just rednecks". Of course. Because white educated people are as likely to be catastrophically ill-informed, exercise terrible judgment or just fundamentally be selfish and cruel and bigoted as anyone else.

Capricorn76 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:45:50

No they are not being judged unfairly and they will reap what they sowed. There will be no sympathy from me towards those who voted him in when it happens.

AnUtterIdiot Thu 26-Oct-17 10:46:20

I don't think there's anything remotely unfair about judging Trump voters. He was a diabolical candidate and has gone out of his way to be a diabolical president.

Olddear Thu 26-Oct-17 10:48:27

No.

pointythings Thu 26-Oct-17 10:48:41

Nope, anyone who voted for Trump deserves to be judged. I include members of DH's family in that - also educated allegedly 'intelligent' people.

And as for your comments re Hillary and homosexuality - yeah, Trump is doing sooooo much to protect the LGBT community in the US. Not.

1DAD2KIDS Thu 26-Oct-17 10:53:07

This is the danger I see. Everyone know Trump is a disaster, doubt he'll get a second term. But know one seems to address the reasons why he was popular. We all just like to throw out there how stupid his voters are. But they are not all (although granted is sometimes hard to believe) stupid. They didn't all vote for him because they hate Mexicans. If we don't take the time to understand what turned the voters off the mainstream option how can we prevent things like this again in a democracy? Surely the fix is to understand this huge proportion of America and finds ways to address the the problems. I don't see how it is helpful to just go around calling half of the population morons and further polarising the situation?

Oly5 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:54:32

Nope. He is a frightening, awful human being

Yamayo Thu 26-Oct-17 10:56:17

Because there are lines that can't be crossed.
However you may not like the mainstream candidate there is still a limit.

And he's doing the polarizing by the way. He started in his inauguration speech.

Slimthistime Thu 26-Oct-17 10:58:36

I think your explanation of her as being kind, lovely, intelligent etc is a bit weird

I don't call Trump voters morons.

I do believe that Trump was clear about who he was when he ran for office. So anyone voting for him was voting for someone who believes harrassing women is okay - many women think this is okay - who believes that certain types of people cause trouble, who doesn't worry about neo Nazis, doesn't worry about former veterans being unable to access food etc etc

if you are the sort of person who believes that big business is all and clean water means little, you might vote for Trump. I'm not going to specifically say that person is an idiot - they might be intelligent of course. But they're not going to be someone I'd want to mix with.

messyjessy17 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:59:40

This lady is no redneck, she is a lovely, kind, highly educated and intelligent lady

She' not that lovely or intelligent, she voted for one of the worst people on the planet to be in charge of her country. She voted for bigotry, sexism, racism and stupidity. She's an idiot.

No, they aren't judged unfairly at all. They got the president they deserve. It's just unfortunate that they inflicted the bollocks on everyone else as well.

1DAD2KIDS Thu 26-Oct-17 11:00:35

pointythings god don't get me wrong I'm not saying Trump is doing anything for anyone's rights. The guy is a bigoted dick. I was just pointing out that Clinton is no great saint and was financially backed by people activity doing harm to (and killing) women, the LGBT community and many other minority groups. I think its important to note the people who our poloticians junp into bed with. Something I think that is lost with many.

worraMoaner Thu 26-Oct-17 11:05:08

I think that Clinton just edged it as the lesser of two evils.

In any other election in memory, I'd have judged anyone who voted for her as as awful as people who voted for Trump. Her only saving grace is that she isn't Trump.

I do judge people who vote for a particular party or person. I'd have held it against all those Marxist voters if Corbyn had had the opportunity to destroy our country.

@CardsforKittens

Accusations. During an American Presidential Campaign? Must be the truth.

@Orange

I didn't realise this wasn't all common knowledge.

Hilary and her enabling of Bill's alleged rapes is well known.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

She frequently mentioned when campaigning she would have patrolled 'no-fly zone' in Syria. ie. WWIII

She and her husband are corrupt although evaded justice.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

The Clinton Foundation is laughable.

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