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Paying £100's for mongrels

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dimondjedi9 Wed 25-Oct-17 19:09:06

All I have seen on Facebook is adverts selling so called ‘designer’ puppies for ridiculous amounts of money.
All these Jackerpoos, cockerpoo, yorkieshit etc are basically mongrels, it amazes me why people would pay £700+ for a mongrel.
The definition of mongrel is:
Any animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
We rescued our little Westie from travellers, she had been bred and bred until she became of no use, the amount of different puppies they were selling was unreal, crossing them with everything.
Surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear, Facebook should ban the selling of any animal, especially on the run up to xmas!

zoomer456 Wed 25-Oct-17 19:11:11

I once posted something similar on here. One poster asked if I disagree with black and white people making babies lol 🙈

ElspethTascioni Wed 25-Oct-17 19:15:03

The "true breeds" bear very little resemblance in some cases to the animals of that breed 100 years ago. Some animals suffer a great deal due to health issues which have been bred into some breeds. A bit of cross-breeding can only be a good thing.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers Wed 25-Oct-17 19:20:00

YANBU. These designer dog "breeds" are nothing more than normal dogs with pretentious fake names and price tags to match.

gamerwidow Wed 25-Oct-17 19:21:29

Nothing wrong with cross breeds per se at least they’ve got more chance of avoiding the genetics flaws associated with so much inbreeding. The idea of paying £100s of pounds for any animal unless you’re going to show it in competitions is mystifying to me. A family pet doesn’t need a pedigree or to come from a specialist breeder.
It’s a shame the demand for these dogs as status symbols fuel the illegal puppy trade.

OutlawFromHell Wed 25-Oct-17 19:22:09

I'm all for crossbred mutts becoming popular. Hopefully it will lead to the breeding out of horrendous genetic abnormalities that are now commonplace in many popular breeds - French and English bulldogs, pugs, German shepherd, cavalier king Charles spaniel, Bassett hounds etc

Maelstrop Wed 25-Oct-17 19:22:11

Pure breds have gained a bad rep due to overbreeding and lack of health testing. A properly health tested dog (hip scores etc, not the vet saying it looks alright and has a uterus) should produce healthy offspring. The so-called 'designer' cross breeds risk being overbred and are still hard to source with proper health tests, so the argument that they're healthier is not necessarily valid.

Pedigrees will not disappear, they should be properly tested before breeding. People will always want the popular breeds.

Outcrossing is invaluable (see Dalmatian purine issue) but needs careful regulating and the KC should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for refusing to accept a line of dallies due to a different breed being used to eliminate a serious health issue generations ago.

Maelstrop Wed 25-Oct-17 19:26:03

And just to add: it's the same as any other fashion trend. Certain crosses and pure breeds become more/less fashionable due to public trends. People buying pugs, for example, have made back yard breeders with fuck all morals overbreed and cause generations of little dogs that can't breathe who will need surgery. Horrible. I hope the new legislation re deliberately breeding for defects works.

Laiste Wed 25-Oct-17 19:28:40

If i was going to split hairs i'd say that usually the word mutt or mongrel is used for a dog who's parentage is more or less unknown. Whereas rightly or wrongly these 'designer' dogs are bred with intent, as it were.

As to how much you pay - i think it's more important to be concerned about what you're paying for and who you're buying from. Be certain the dogs are not puppy farmed ect. or no sale.

chosenone Wed 25-Oct-17 19:34:32

I think the issue is with legislation. Licencing or something? We do have a cross breed though and paid money to a breeder who completely scammed me. I believed his BS and thought I was buying a health tested puppy from a family home. Joined a fb group and a number of us all realised they were puppy farmers sad the family home was all a front! I reported to the RSPCA and the local authority. Surely more can be done!

ScaryMonstersAndSuoerCreeps Wed 25-Oct-17 19:35:07

This is my designer dog(joking!!) Bumble is a Jackabea and cost the princely sum of £95 six years ago. The best £95 I have ever spent!!

Notanumberuser Wed 25-Oct-17 19:36:53

What odds? What’s it to you? If they want the dog they’ll pay what the market desires.

What odds? Really.

lljkk Wed 25-Oct-17 19:38:26

I don't get paying £££ for any dog, even a "purebred", so makes no diff it's £££ for a "mongrel". Don't get me started about paying £££ for cats!

Kpo58 Wed 25-Oct-17 19:40:04

Cross breeding dogs is how you make new "pure breeds". It just takes a few generations for the bloodlines to become stable.

They need to do far more about stamping out puppy farms though.

poorbuthappy Wed 25-Oct-17 19:41:12

Our free crossbreed is apparently now a sprollie and can cost £200 which to be frank
Is fucking ridiculous

DJBaggySmalls Wed 25-Oct-17 19:43:54

People paying through the nose for 'designer dogs' are often keeping puppy farms open.
If you cross 2 dogs with genetic abnormalities, they dont disappear. Thats not what hybrid vigour means. But these breeders dont tell their buyers that and rarely gene test their stock.
'I dont need to gene test, I've never had any problems' is the usual excuse. It often goes along with 'I cant vaccinate because XYZ excuse/I do all my own worming/we've never seen a flea/we only use natural treatments.'

DJBaggySmalls Wed 25-Oct-17 19:45:31

You dont get a new breed by crossing 2 breeds. It takes generations of selective breeding and a lot of culling dogs that arent what you want.

Givemeallthechocolate Wed 25-Oct-17 19:46:07

You know I don't agree with calling them mongrels.
I just think it's really nasty. I have a crossbreed. He is part boxer, part old English bulldog.
I don't know whether when he was a pup he was sold as a "designer"dog, but what I do know is he is the most lovely (not so) little thing in the world.
I don't agree with paying breeders £££ for dogs, I think it's a not very nice situation for a dog to be in, but I also don't agree with dogs being worth less because of their mixed parentage.

I am really soft, but it really upset me when I got my boy who's a rescue, and they discounted him because he wasn't a full breed, even more so when they told my husband to insure him as a mongrel.

He's such a cute little wriggle butt, I hate to think that anyone believes him to be lesser because he's got a bit of bulldog in him.

ConciseandNice Wed 25-Oct-17 19:48:46

People need to get down to the local rescue centre and give an unwanted dog a home, not give cynical breeders of any kind hundreds lf pounds to continue their unsavoury activities.

LadyIrisBarclay Wed 25-Oct-17 19:48:49

We breed Cockerpoo's - I don't consider them to be a designer breed. They're just cockerpoos.

However the cost involved in breeding; supporting and caring for the bitch, the scans, the check ups, the vets visits, the extra food, the equipment - is mind boggling.

And that's before the puppies arrive. We are with her around the clock in the last 48 hours before she whelps as she could start at any time and can't risk being left alone.

We then have someone with her awake, around the clock for the first 2 to 3 weeks as we watch the pups constantly.

From about about 3 to 5 weeks we are still with her constantly but allow ourselves to sleep between feeds. 5 to 6 weeks onwards she is usually fine to be left with them unsupervised although we are still hovering and keeping an eye on things and we NEVER leave her alone in the house incase she or the pups needs us.

Then the cost of high quality puppy food, milk on standby, heat pads, vaccinations, microchips and emergency middle of the night vets fees because a puppy sneezed or seemed more sleepy than usual or is not gaining weight fast enough or had a poo that was ever so slightly more runny than the last <insert paranoia of choice here>

Breeding, is absolutely bloody exhausting if done right

Your eyes would water at what we charge shock wink

keeponworking Wed 25-Oct-17 19:51:00

"It's great to cross-breed". Not it's not! That's how these dogs arrived at being unable to breathe or unable to give birth without caesarean to their own pups - so now you think it's a positive to cross breed animals who have already been cross bred and cross bred into ill health and deformity and cross breeding them further will even things out?!

yeesh!

In any case, when we have gazillions of stray dogs due to twatty owners who don't get them spayed/chopped, NO ONE should be breeding ANY dog. Be interesting to see who'd be signing up for a pet dog - if it wasn't a cute 'teacup' breed (or similar). Not many I imagine.

Givemeallthechocolate Wed 25-Oct-17 19:52:50

In any case, when we have gazillions of stray dogs due to twatty owners who don't get them spayed/chopped, NO ONE should be breeding ANY dog. Be interesting to see who'd be signing up for a pet dog - if it wasn't a cute 'teacup' breed (or similar). Not many I imagine.

^^THIS^^^^

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers Wed 25-Oct-17 19:52:50

LadyIrisBarclay but there is no such breed as a cockerpoo. They are cross breed puppies, by design.

Our girl is a husky, malamute, Collie, greyhound cross. We bought her as a Heinz 57. She's amazing, we've been so lucky with her temperament and behaviour, really DESPITE her breed mix, not because of it. I can't come up with a pretentious name, so we call her a Cornish Hound!

Maelstrop Wed 25-Oct-17 19:54:32

Cross breeding dogs is how you make new "pure breeds". It just takes a few generations for the bloodlines to become stable.

Takes a bit more than a few generations for the desired characteristics to be even vaguely established!

They need to do far more about stamping out puppy farms though.

But there are loads in Wales, all completely legal. There's even a rescue that handily takes all their non-house trained no longer useful breeding stock for them!

Nothing wrong with the term mongrel, although generally it's used for a dog with more than 2 breeds. 2 breeds could be termed a crossbreed if you didn't want to offend whoever bought a puggle/doodle/jackshit whatever. Insurance is cheaper if you use the term mongrel when buying it. I don't get why it's nasty?

Halfpastthelegofmyshirt Wed 25-Oct-17 19:54:53

I deliberately bought a cross breed because I didn’t want a pedigree dog with all their associated health problems. And my dog isn’t from a puppy farm. I think the people perpetuating the breeding of flat faced dogs are more of a problem than those who want a cross breed!

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