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Detentioncontent Tue 10-Oct-17 17:01:48

DC1 goes to a school 5 and a half miles away following bullying. No other option.
At first buses were amazing but then they removed lots of services leaving us stranded. As a result dd now has to catch two buses. Not a huge issue during morning or daytime.

She has one particular teacher who keeps the whole class behind every single lesson for talking. I have checked and my DC1 is not one of the talkers.

Ten minutes in to class today he gave some pupils a detention because of talkers. He said my dc and the others could go but then ended up keeping everyone back anyway. The others still have detention.

The last time he did this dc1 who has sen and in schools own words is classed as vulnerable did not get home until 6.45pm.

Not only did she hit rush hour which meant buses where going past her full by the time they got to her but she then missed the two possible connecting buses and had a fifty minute wait alone at a bus stop to get home.

She's still currently waiting today at a bus stop near school to get on a bus so the same will happen today.
She's also managed to run down her battery on her phone which I'm annoyed at her about so I now have a child with Sen out there with it getting dark and no phone.

Not only that but I'm sick of the meltdowns when she gets home really late and peed off.

I've asked already for her to be let out on time.


Gileswithachainsaw Tue 10-Oct-17 17:05:44


Poor kid.

Branleuse Tue 10-Oct-17 17:08:09

Thats pretty shit. I would make an urgent call to the SENCO.

When my ds1 was in mainstream, I had an agreement with the school that any detentions needed to be at lunchtime

TheQueenOfWands Tue 10-Oct-17 17:09:07

Put it in writing.

Just say she must be let out at xxxx time for safety reasons.

christinarossetti Tue 10-Oct-17 17:09:19

You need to speak with her form tutor and/or head of year and ensure that they let all her teachers (or those who she has last lesson each day) know that she needs to be allowed to go on time to catch her bus.

Definitely push the fact that she has SEN and the school have identified her as vulnerable. Also, let them know the extent of the difficulties it causes her ie she doesn't just get home 20 minutes late as children who walk to school might.

Sirzy Tue 10-Oct-17 17:10:18

I don’t agree with whole class punishments anyway so as long as you are sure it’s not her then I would be questioning it!

On a side note if she has SEN and that is the closest School that can meet her needs have you checked if she is entitled to transport to and from school?

Bambamber Tue 10-Oct-17 17:10:53

Could you not go pick her up for tonight and then have a word with the school. If it was her doing the talking I wouldn't be so sympathetic, but otherwise it's not on. I can kind of see why the teacher does it, the other pupils will get fed up and should discourage the talking. But I'm sure there's other, more effective ways of stopping talking in class

Detentioncontent Tue 10-Oct-17 17:11:23

Yes IF she is the one being a pain I'm happy for her to get detention at lunch or before school or break.

She's wanting to leave school because she's fed up of the bus and he really is not helping. Leaving a vulnerable child out hours because some one ELSE is talking every week is annoying.

Bobbybobbins Tue 10-Oct-17 17:12:13

Agree that you need to address this with the school. Whole group punishments are totally ineffective as it just pisses off the kids that aren't talking - the school should address this with the teacher.

noblegiraffe Tue 10-Oct-17 17:12:59

What is the school policy on after school detentions and how long is he keeping them back for?

Notreallyarsed Tue 10-Oct-17 17:15:48

Whole class punishments are bullshit anyway, but I completely agree with your concerns in this situation. Can you speak to the headteacher?

RB68 Tue 10-Oct-17 17:15:54

Picking her up is not always an option

Detentioncontent Tue 10-Oct-17 17:15:55

I don't drive, I'm not home and because she's not charged her phone I have no idea where on the route she currently is.

I don't think she qualifies for transport as we moved her from a school near us after she was threatened with a weapon and by a much older pupil and the school we moved her to isn't a special school but a smaller school which had space.

Hufflepuff719 Tue 10-Oct-17 17:16:46

I would put it in writing too.

Highlight how DD has to get two buses to get home, she has SEN and is not one of the talkers!!!

Joinourclub Tue 10-Oct-17 17:18:11

i'd speak to your daughters HOY.

I've not worked anywhere that allows whole class detentions for at least 5 years. And most places I have worked give parents at least 24 hours notice of an after school detention. This is especially important at school where many pupils catch buses home. It's a safeguarding issue!!

bimbobaggins Tue 10-Oct-17 17:24:21

That is really awful op, our school does detention but it's never after school and I would not be happy at all if my dc didn't get home until 6.45because of one

Detentioncontent Tue 10-Oct-17 17:29:57

I don't know the detention policy and it's not on the website but he's keeping them back ten to twenty minutes which means that dd has to walk from school into town at the main bus station to stand any chance of getting on a bus as they are full by the time they reach her and she missed both connecting buses.

As an example last week he kept them in till 4.20 (they finish at 4pm) and by the time we she had waited three full buses passed and she had to walk to the bus station it was an hour.

She then reached the second bus nearer us and had to wait another 50 minutes as she'd missed her connecting ones.

permatiredmum Tue 10-Oct-17 17:32:31

Write to the school and say tghat it is a safeguarding issue.They are putting her at risk.

BabyOrSanta Tue 10-Oct-17 17:34:05

Is he actually keeping them back as a punishment or is the lesson just running over as he's talking about their behaviour?

Andrewofgg Tue 10-Oct-17 17:35:37

I have checked and my DC1 is not one of the talkers,

Checked with her? That's reliable!

Mama234 Tue 10-Oct-17 17:35:57

Absolutely talk to the school that is completly unfair on your dd.

Andrewofgg Tue 10-Oct-17 17:36:47

If she is exempt from punishment she will suffer at the hands of those who are not. And no power on earth can protect her.

Piggywaspushed Tue 10-Oct-17 17:37:45

This is poor practice by the teacher. For many good reasons, mainly buses, teachers simply cannot keep kids behind like this without prior notice. Am assuming other children get buses though? It doesn't sound like a school bus.

If the teacher wants to detain students he should give 24 hrs notice as 'best practice'. Some schools have no notice detentions but it's rare and usually for SLTtype offences.

Phone the school - Head of subject or HOY. they may not ne aware this teacher is doing this.

maggiecate Tue 10-Oct-17 17:39:12

This is out of order, but if he then starts holding everyone back except your daughter that's not ideal either especially given she's been bullied in the past. Sadly this is the sort of thing bullies would be all over her for. I'm really surprised that he's allowed to hold classes back in this way - there must be other kids who rely on transport home and I would have thought there was a janitor chafing at the bit to get everyone out!!

Detentioncontent Tue 10-Oct-17 17:39:34

No Andrew I checked with school last time I asked for her to be allowed to leave on time and was that she was never the issue.

I'm not THAT naive!

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