Manager retiring. Inheriting duties

[abcdefg1234]

My manager is retiring. It looks like I will inherit most of his duties with some others being outsourced within the business.

When I started to do some of these duties 2 years ago I was given a small payrise for the increase in duty. I will now be doing these things with an increase in responsibility, plus more, alone, no supervision. Financial reports etc.

My manager has said t's up to me if I wish to take these on or not. My GM has said that X and Y will go to A and B and I will inherit the rest. No question of whether I am happy to accept this.

WIBU to expect some kind of remuneration for the increase in duty and responsibility? And if IANBU, would you ask or just see what pans out?

[timeisnotaline]

Of course you're not being unreasonable! It would help if you knew what your manager earned, but you need to have a discussion about the pay change.

[CabbagesOnFire]

Ask. Negotiate up front before agreeing it. Otherwise it is hard to negotiate it later on once you're already doing it. Insist on not taking anything on without negotiation, remuneration and consent.

[timeisnotaline]

And NO you shouldn't wait and see what pans out. Asking is the only way. Calmly but firmly point out that your manager wouldn't have done his job for your salary.

[abcdefg1234]

timeisnotaline It's likely 3 times my salary... but thats a guess.

Cabbages How would I manage this without sounding like a complete turd in a small business?

[coddiwomple]

Just nicely point out that you are currently doing xxx for £x amount

If you are now to do zyzyzy , you need to be paid accordingly. If it's not the full role you inherit, you can't really ask for the full salary, but it's perfectly normal to ask for more money when you take on more responsibilities. Have a figure in mind before you start discussing.

[Moanyoldcow]

'Of course I'd be happy to discuss taking on the extra responsibilities. What will the pay differential be?'

If you get a reply saying you aren't getting an increase then decline.

'That's a shame as I'd have been really interested in the opportunity, but I can't accommodate the increased workload and responsibility without a commensurate increase in salary - I'm sure you understand and would feel the same, especially as you are making such savings on [ex-manager's name]'s salary.'

[abcdefg1234]

Thanks for the advice PPs. I hate talking money at work and it always makes me jittery. I've never had to do it before.

I'm seeing it as a step up and great opportunity for me to develop more which I didn't think possible in my role. >

My manager leaves in 16 days. I found out last week about his intentions to retire. I know he is making a list for my GM of additional responsibilities he undertakes or these to be divvy'd up.

[abcdefg1234]

The only thing is, I do have a lot of spare capacity at present. I wonder if they assume the increase I had a few years back would be to swallow this up when the time came?

[ajandjjmum]

An increase a few years back is irrelevant to the situation now - other than the fact that it shows they know they need to pay someone to do additional work.

I would ask for a meeting to go through your proposed new duties and discuss the impact on your package, and ask if it can be done within the next week or so.

[abcdefg1234]

OK. Cool. Im a bit nervous about this kind of thing. My GM, whilst lovely, scares me!

[DunkMeInTomatoSoup]

If you have spare capacity then you are effectively being over paid for hours you attend with no work to fill them. Which would you prefer, your full time salary and some spreadsheets, or your hours and renumeration cut to suit your current capacity?

[ajandjjmum]

Of course Dunk, it could be that the OP is extremely efficient, which is why she has spare capacity.

If I were you cjt, I would acknowledge that you have the time and ability to take on more work, but that you would expect an increase in salary in line with the responsibility of taking on additional duties.

[abcdefg1234]

So. My manager retires tomorrow. I am speaking with my GM later today regarding additional duties.

I am looking forward to the challenge but do also feel that there should be extra remuneration for taking on the additional responsibility.

But how do I word that? The group company is in a position that there is a ban on recruitment. Any position that is vacated is not being filled.

Or should I try and argue for a shorter day/week? My son starts school next year and because of mine and DH's working day, I will need a flexible start until say 9.15 each day with a shorter lunch to compensate.

I have very recently been diagnosed with ME/CFS wbhich both my manager and GM know about. Manager is very good and sympathetic but GM seems to think it's a wishy washy made up thing. Shorter days/weeks would benefit me hugely.

[ocelot7]

Perhaps start by asking to rewrite your job description - which will show the proportion of added responsibilities.

There is a whole literature on women's failure to negotiate pay bring a key factor in pay differentials. Men tend to ask for more money as a matter of course!

Somehow you have to broach this. Would it help to ask a friend to role play it with you?

[abcdefg1234]

I'm not sure. And it's likely to start today.

I've not been in this position before so am at a loss of what to do. I'll basically be going from an administrative role (paperwork, sales etc) to having reporting duties too.

If anyone has had a similar experience, please do share

[abcdefg1234]

I dont even think I have a job description.... Most of my stuff is ad hoc and very fluid.

[ocelot7]

Then a job description is a good starting point - to make it very clear what your (new) role is.

[RemainOptimistic]

Are they replacing this guy?

If not, his entire salary is up for grabs. Maybe split between you and whoever else is taking on some of his duties. But still a huge chunk of budget becoming available.

[Etymology23]

You hav nothing really to lose here - the worst thing that happens is you don't get any more pay, which is what will happen if you do nothing.

Just remain self assured. Can you look on eg glass door to see what salaries for your role generally are?

Remember that asking to do the same hours at a marginally different time is not going to have any cost for them at all - I would not be considering that as a major part of any negotiation for sure!

[abcdefg1234]

My GM, although a nice guy, is very.... not one for detail. And in the face of someone so outright, I wither away and go all meek and mild.

I am hoping, our HR lady is here today (to have a meeting with outgoing manager) and that she will be in any meeting with GM and I.

[PlaymobilPirate]

You've been given some great advice on this thread yet it looks like you've not done anything about it.

[abcdefg1234]

RemainOptimistic No. And they are seeing it as a cost saving exercise I believe.

Etymology23 I'm talking more doing 10-4 or 4 days a week instead of 5.

Oh I hate this.

[abcdefg1234]

PlaymobilPirate I've asked several times in the last week or so about my new duties to be told that they will be discussed when finalised, so I have done as much as I have been able to.

[PlaymobilPirate]

Have you emailed the question so that it's documented as advised?

My prediction is they'll say 'we have no extra money to give, you've been down on your work and the tasks need to be shared out' and you'll say ok

[abcdefg1234]

No, as nothing has commenced as yet. It's a bit presumptive as I don't know what tasks I will receive and what will be outsourced.

I haven't been down on my work. I have completed all tasks given to me.