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To be sick and tired of women's concerns being silenced?

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MerchantofVenice Sun 20-Aug-17 09:40:53

Obviously I wouldn't dream of doing a TAAT.

But is anyone else as furious as I am that every time people try to raise legitimate concerns about the legislation about self-identity and transgender people, the whole discussion is shut down?

There's this undertone of 'Oh, you can't say that!!!' when people state scientific facts.

And at the same time, there's this myth that 'MN is one of the only places you can actually discuss the transgender debate openly.' Like fuck it is.

Your average person on the street isn't intimately acquainted with the madness of the debate and will have no qualms about stating facts. You see it on the comments after those nonsense news articles ("Man gives birth"). When you explain the situation to novices (as I did to my husband) they are gobsmacked. They had no idea that it was somehow a hate crime to be literate in biology.

And that's part of the problem; this hushing up colludes with the idea that people are saying something controversial. The debate stays secret and the tide of common sense never comes.

So sick of it.

Frouby Sun 20-Aug-17 09:47:20

Me too.

The child sex abuse scandals debates involving a particular ethnic minority are shut down repeatedly by people saying 'oh you can't say that, it's racist'. Transgender ones by saying you are discriminatory in a different way.

It's like the rights of women and children are given a second priority to whatever racial/gender/social minority group are placing them at risk.

CosmicPineapple Sun 20-Aug-17 09:47:22

Me too.
I have posted a similar thread.
I hate that I have to word my posts in such away that the thread will not be deleted.

Deleted for TAAT in this instance translates as shussh woman in my book.

MerchantofVenice Sun 20-Aug-17 09:52:27

Thanks for your responses. It's so depressing isn't it?

Squirmy65ghyg Sun 20-Aug-17 09:53:36


RestlessTraveller Sun 20-Aug-17 09:56:02

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

SaveMeBarry Sun 20-Aug-17 09:56:03

I agree. Stating that as a woman you would prefer not to be in X situation (trying to avoid any TAAT issues) because you would feel uncomfortable or vulnerable elicits fake bafflement from people who are either completely incapable of grasping that others have different views and experiences OR are far more concerned with appearing "cool girl" than acknowledging the genuine concerns of other women hmm.

ThumbWitchesAbroad Sun 20-Aug-17 09:57:31

Yep, me too. Currently in a debate on FB about it. Man I'm debating with just isn't "getting" it. hmm <facepalm>

DressedCrab Sun 20-Aug-17 09:58:08


MerchantofVenice Sun 20-Aug-17 09:58:45


By 'novices' I literally meant people who are 'new' to the debate. That's what it means.confused

maxthemartian Sun 20-Aug-17 09:59:56


CosmicPineapple Sun 20-Aug-17 10:02:11

Restless novices is not an insult. OP used it to describe her own DH.

There is nothing arseholey about the OP. Why the a aggressive post Restless?

GahBuggerit Sun 20-Aug-17 10:03:03

Yanbu, yes the "cool girl" thing is getting so tiring now and is total bullshit as the first time they are directly affected they will be the first ones to be discusted [sic]

DamnSummerCold Sun 20-Aug-17 10:04:21


RestlessTraveller Sun 20-Aug-17 10:04:41

Whatever it was supposed to mean you sound like a condescending twat as does the person who used the phrase 'cool girl'. It doesn't help your argument when you ridicule people who don't agree with you.

RestlessTraveller Sun 20-Aug-17 10:06:01

And I'd typed that before GahBuggerit posted. You all sound hideously mocking.

CosmicPineapple Sun 20-Aug-17 10:07:16

Again with the name calling hmm

Seems you are ridiculing people who dont agree with you confused

Are you unable to post without such aggession Restless?

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus Sun 20-Aug-17 10:11:05

It is madness, and it is so harmful to women. We have got to be brave and refuse to be silent. I want my daughter to at least retain the rights that i had, though I had hoped for more.

maxthemartian Sun 20-Aug-17 10:12:11

Restless what exactly is your problem? You are responding with extreme aggression to things that are not actually there.

StealthPolarBear Sun 20-Aug-17 10:12:19

How and when will men be affected. Depressingly the only example I can think of is stag party strippers. When a trans woman is "just a woman" for those purposes I suspect we'll start to hear complaints from men.

MerchantofVenice Sun 20-Aug-17 10:13:37

It would be good Restless if you could actually explain why we are wrong rather than just spitting bile...

StealthPolarBear Sun 20-Aug-17 10:13:41

Damn more rights for our daughters is looking unlikely. I now look back at myself in the mid to late 90s, becoming an adult, and think that was as good as it got.

RestlessTraveller Sun 20-Aug-17 10:15:28

Ok, since this is a thread about saying what you think. I have absolutely no issue with the legislation about identity and transgender people, in fact I welcome it. What I do have issue with is other women speaking for me about 'women's concerns'. I also have issue with the fact that on here any woman who thinks like me is mocked because we're apparently trying to be 'cool' or we're 'not getting it'.

CosmicPineapple Sun 20-Aug-17 10:16:39

Merchant I get the impression Restless does not want to discuss the topic but is attempting to get the thread deleated for being a bun fight.
Kind of proves the point of silencing women.

CosmicPineapple Sun 20-Aug-17 10:18:09

X posted.

What I do have issue with is other women speaking for me about 'women's concerns'.

So why not say that instead of all the name calling?

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