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There will be no progress until we name the problem

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TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:06:40

worldnewstrust.com/there-will-be-no-progress-until-we-name-the-problem-mickey-z

AIBU to think this article should be shared far and wide?

There is a real problem with Male Violence being swept under the carpet and not addressed fully on news sites and papers.

If we don't say what it actually plainly is then we can't address the real problem.

Pengggwn Thu 17-Aug-17 14:12:52

Are you going to plainly say it, then? hmm

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:15:05

I did confused

Flyingflipflop Thu 17-Aug-17 14:16:30

So what are your solutions?

reportPost Thu 17-Aug-17 14:17:31

what's your AIBU?

Pengggwn Thu 17-Aug-17 14:18:13

You didn't. You linked to an article that made a number of points of about men. What are you actually trying to say?

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:19:04

I take it no one has actually read the link...or my post.

goatscheesevegan Thu 17-Aug-17 14:19:10

I don't get what you're saying confused please say it

goatscheesevegan Thu 17-Aug-17 14:19:36

I read both post and link. Still unclear

MumIsRunningAMarathon Thu 17-Aug-17 14:19:57

There was something like this mentioned on a MN thread recently.... think it was the jogger thread?

Anyway it got me thinking

Got me looking around a bit more.... and it's quite true!

MumIsRunningAMarathon Thu 17-Aug-17 14:20:50

Well it's bloody clear enough to me and I'm no feminist or university graduate!!
grin

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:21:02

That male violence is a massive problem that gets downplayed all the time?

Not quite sure what else I was meant to say. It's right there...plain as day.

SilverySurfer Thu 17-Aug-17 14:21:44

So what's the answer OP? What do we need to say plainly? Mass extermination of males? No, don't think so.

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:21:58

Mum Thank you smile

Snap8TheCat Thu 17-Aug-17 14:22:56

I don't get what you mean when you say we have to name it.... you just did in your post?!

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:23:42

Ffs.

How about if more that that article is shared then men people might actually think about this.

TheEgregiousPeach Thu 17-Aug-17 14:24:40

Good article. Perfectly clear to me what you're on about. I don't know what the solution is but acknowledging it is a start.

TheSparrowhawk Thu 17-Aug-17 14:24:45

I agree totally. The real kicker is that while male violence that is the problem it is women who are expected to change their behaviour. Women are told not to walk alone late at night, to be careful about taxis, to watch their drink etc etc. It's seems that it's fine to tell women to restrict their behaviour and be afraid but it's never fine to expect men to do anything, hence the idiotic 'extermination of males' post above.

Pengggwn Thu 17-Aug-17 14:25:28

Oh I see. I thought you were drawing some sort of conclusion, as in, why there is so much male violence, or what to do about violence, rather than just stating the obvious.

From my perspective any violence is bad. Yes, there is far more male violence but I think that is largely because there is a correlation between physical strength and the use of force. I think if women were physically a lot stronger we would see just as much female-on-male violence.

TinyRick Thu 17-Aug-17 14:25:34

It's the title of the article Snap

It's the point that, it's an unspoken problem.

LetThereBe Thu 17-Aug-17 14:27:21

I understand you OP.

Not sure why you're getting grief for a clear post!

MumIsRunningAMarathon Thu 17-Aug-17 14:27:26

I suppose we can recognise it, name it..... and what next?

Do you think by it being recognised men will then use it as an excuse to continue? As if to say ' look, it's a well known fact that men are violent, I cant help it, it's how we are'

Pengggwn Thu 17-Aug-17 14:28:10

It's not an unspoken problem. It's blindingly obvious. hmm

MumIsRunningAMarathon Thu 17-Aug-17 14:28:33

I thought this was one of the clearest threads ever! With a perfectly clear link!

Not sure what's wrong with people struggling to understand it

TheSparrowhawk Thu 17-Aug-17 14:29:18

'From my perspective any violence is bad. Yes, there is far more male violence but I think that is largely because there is a correlation between physical strength and the use of force. I think if women were physically a lot stronger we would see just as much female-on-male violence'

What an utterly pointless statement. It may be true that if women were stronger they would engage in more violent behaviour, yes. But the fact is they're not and they don't. Men engage in violent behaviour at a pretty enormous rate. And everyone just ignores it - each case of a woman being murdered by her partner is reported as it if it's an isolated incident rather than being seen for what it is - part of a massive pattern of destructive behaviour.

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