Aibu to be so angry with the tory government regarding grenfell

[GreenTreesWithLeaves]

Grenfell should not have happened. Austerity, cost cutting, ignoring the poor, helping the rich get richer, all this led to the horrific circumstances.

Tory response? Theresa May didnt even speak to the survivor residents. A tory minister cited security reasons, yet the Queen managed to come out and talk to the residents without issue.

Tories have form for voting against safety issues in housing. All to benefit the wealthy. It is utterly shameful that these are the people that run our country, who care only for the rich.

[TheBadgersMadeMeDoIt]

The "security reasons" are probably that she'd have been fucking lynched.

[LagunaBubbles]

Yanbu. That is all I can bring myself to say at the moment.

[jacks11]

Well, yes and no.

Yes, the response has been very poor. Theresa May has not handled this at all well and the general response from the government and the council has only served to make the situation worse. Totally unacceptable.

The Tory Government have had years to act on the report/coroner's recommendations following the Lakanal House fire but failed to implement them all. no excuses and those responsible should be held to account.

BUT they are far from the only government that hasn't acted on safety concerns/failings, historically this has been a problem. It could have happened at any time, under a government of any party.

[GreenTreesWithLeaves]

Protesters are calling on Theresa May to resign outside downing street and rightly so.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

There is a serious problem when the leader of a country knows they are so unpopular that they cannot represent that country when there's a disaster.

[alltheworld]

When I read today in the Standard that May was "taking personal charge of the situation," my heart sank

[BubblesBuddy]

The building regulations have not been updated for years and that includes years before the Conservatives got into power. They were also Labour's responsibility and Labour held council's could have put In sprinklers in all flats. Did they? No. Labour spent billions on hospitals and schools but not sprinklers. The panels are banned in Germany and the USA. As £10m was spent I am not sure this is austerity. It was the wrong cladding but a higher spec could have been insisted upon. We could and should have banned this cladding like other countries but we didn't get round to it. I never heard anyone shouting about it until now.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

Why was austerity responsible?

[GreenTreesWithLeaves]

Jacks, this was waiting to happen. What angers me is the cost cutting done on the refurbishment. It was a hazard zone on the inside with lethal cladding on the outside. They didnt stand a chance against the fire.

Tories keep viting against more stringent fire regulations, they keep voting against provision of acceptable standards of housing. They really do not care how the poor live, as long as the rich make a profit.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

If my understanding is correct, £millions have been spent on refurbishment. Therefore nothing to do with austerity,

[StillDrivingMeBonkers]

Because no Labour council or government ever cut corners did they ... whats that I hear? Harriett Harman saying there isn't enough money for sprinklers after a fatal tower block fire in her constituency in 2009? Surely not.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p055wsk3

[bigmack]

ThroughThickAndThin01- The residents expressed concerns during the refurbishment about the cheap materials being used and that corners were being cut.

[scaryteacher]

Green She spoke with them today I understand. Perhaps yesterday she didn't want to intrude, as the media were doing enough of that, added to which London has a Mayor who might have felt his toes were being stepped on had she turned up.

Furthermore, she can achieve more by making sure money and help are in place than by emoting everywhere, I am sure she is as shocked and horrified as everyone else about this. Her actions will hopefully show that she feels this by sorting out other such blocks.

I'm not much good at emoting, but I make sure people are fed and watered and the practicalities are taken care of when there is a crisis. Perhaps the PM is the same?

[ToneDeafHamster]

YABU

[Giraffexzy]

Kill the poor in as many subtle ways as they can- cutting benefits= rise in suicides, NHS cuts= increase in preventable deaths, using flammable materials in social housing= another discreet tactic those less fortunate

[LostSight]

More to do with the long-term agenda of privatisation and removal of 'red tape' (otherwise known in this case as building safety standards).

But there's little doubt austerity played its part. There were fewer firefighters. And although the money spent sounds a lot, it is obvious that the cheapest available legal(?) materials were used, presumably the cheapest labour too.

And regardless of the cladding (which I understood was partly done using a grant for making buildings better insulated) however much was spent 'upgrading', a great deal more was required on making it safe too.

[muckypup73]

She did not have the balls to go and see the survivors, yet the queen could, sorry but I do not have one iota of respect for that lady now!!!

[BubblesBuddy]

What total rubbish!!! To few fire fighters? 40 fully staffed appliances attended. I think you need facts before you spread such uninformed crap.

The regulations do not make this cladding illegal in this country . It was not cost cutting - it was lack of updated regulations. The fire spread up through the cladding. The marginally more expensive cladding had better fire retardant properties. Clearly the one used should have been banned but it wasn't. Labour could have banned it years ago. All products can be tested and no-one thought about this problem enough to even talk about it and that includes JC.

[BabsGanoush]

There were fewer firefighters. Really, i hadn't heard that - whats your source?

[muckypup73]

Has Theresa May not learned yet??? she cut the police forces and that could have prevented the manchester bombing, she cuts the fire brigade that may have got there quicker and moreof them to savemore lives, but no they cant cause she has cut all the services to the knuckle!

[dinosaurbum]

I don't know what TM has done wrong really, yes she could if personally visited the residents, but to what effect?

She isn't a super hero or has a crystal ball, government has made numerous statements and have tried, in line with the many professionals to give as much info to the residents and public as needed without influencing speculation.

I would very much like my PM to be meeting with the investigators (which she has) and getting on with finding the funds and emergency housing (which she has been doing), and sorting out god knows what logistics, legal, social arrangements have to put in place in an unprecedented emergency.

I am quite open minded when it comes to politics. And I think that if TM did go speak to residents she would probably be accused of something a similar to a "daily fail sad face" as in look at me, give me attention, I "AM" here for the people ya know..

Within hours of the event (certainly the same afternoon on radio 4 as I was listening) Corbyn was quoted making digs and bringing politics into this.

I honestly would rather see energy spent on an immediate solution to a very real emergency, than political mud slinging and finger blaming. It's not helpful

[Ankleswingers]

YABU

[MrsPinkButterfly]

stilldrivingmebonkers a very good point.

That is my main concern right now as no matter how angry everyone is and demanding answers the laknal fire in 2009 has recommendations which dont seem to have been imposed and therefore a pointless task.

[nancy75]

The fire brigade got there in 6 minutes, even with twice as many firefighters on duty in London I doubt the response time could have been much quicker. There are undoubtedly many questions to be answered & people to blame, making up crap doesn't help anyone

[MayhemAndRudderless]

YANBU​