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To think that young people came out in record numbers for one simple reason that most people are missing?

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PumpkinPiloter Sun 11-Jun-17 12:29:04

I believe that young people came out in record numbers because they wanted to vote for someone they could trust.

TM like many politicians before her see no problem in going back on her word. She is not alone in this and politicians have been guilty of this from both the right and left side of politics.

Despite your reservations or views on JC it is clear he has not gone back on his word since being elected as the leader of the opposition. He has stood by his word and fought a campaign based on policies he believed in and refused to use dirty smear tactics.

Perhaps people generally are sick of being lied to and electing politicians that seem to showmen/careerists first and representatives of the people second.

brexitstolemyfuture Sun 11-Jun-17 12:38:28

I don't agree. They voted because jobs are shit, can't afford a house, tuition fees are high and they are waking up to the fact that they will never be able to retire.

DixieNormas Sun 11-Jun-17 12:38:32

I think so, well the ones I know any way. It had nothing to do with free uni, none of the 18-25 year olds I know went to uni or plan to. They dislike May because she never answers questions, they dislike the cuts to education and dislike tory policies and don't trust them

Obviously its all about uni fees though, and the Tories not being able to get enough people voting for them is all the fault of Corbyn and his 'false promises', nothing to do with their shit campaign hmm

StillDrivingMeBonkers Sun 11-Jun-17 12:41:17

My DCs didn't vote Labour. They have aspirations. They also believe in supporting themselves. They have personal pride.

Don't tar all the youth with the same brush.

BigDamnHero Sun 11-Jun-17 12:42:55

As far as I can tell, many young people have felt disillusioned with politics for a long time and have felt like their vote doesn't count.

After Brexit, when many didn't vote because it seemed pointless, I think there was a huge wake up call. Many realised if they and their peers had voted things would have turned out very differently.

I think guilt/regret over Brexit was at least one driving force behind so many young people voting.

EllieMentry Sun 11-Jun-17 12:43:47

StillDrivingMeBonkers My DCs have aspirations, pride, ambition and believe in supporting themselves.

They voted Labour.

And it was nothing to do with university fees.

EllieMentry Sun 11-Jun-17 12:44:48

I agree with the OP that it was about a politician they felt they could trust, who didn't go back on his word.

We voted Labour, too.

mummag Sun 11-Jun-17 12:44:59

You can have aspirations and vote labour, they are not mutually exclusive, or you wouldn't have an actual labour party, or mp's etc that vote labour. Dumb argument on your part and makes you look rather the fool.

Leanback Sun 11-Jun-17 12:45:16

still so anyone who votes labour doesn't believe in aspirations and supporting themselves?? hmm

mummag Sun 11-Jun-17 12:45:54

That was to stilldriving

McTufty Sun 11-Jun-17 12:46:55

I think most voted due to a dislike of the Tories, a shock after not voting in the EU referendum led to a bad result, tuition fees, and also because JC (as much as I don't like him) did very well at mobilising the youth vote.

mummag Sun 11-Jun-17 12:47:14

I've let myself down by responding to that bullshit comment.

pieceofpurplesky Sun 11-Jun-17 12:48:01

I reckon still probably reads the mail and believes all labour supporters are benefit scrounging scum. Or am I being as generalisingly patronising as they? hmm

RJnomore1 Sun 11-Jun-17 12:48:53

Don't your children believe in supporting others who may need their assistance too stilldriving?

Or are they all about themselves?

emilybrontescorset Sun 11-Jun-17 12:50:37

I think a lot of it is down to the Brexit vote. They didn't want
their apparthy to affect the result.
They are also more aware of other who cannot vote due to the oppressive regimes under which they live.
Maybe that's just my dc.

rogueantimatter Sun 11-Jun-17 12:50:41

My DC has high aspirations too. He is forgoing free tuition at a Scottish higher education institution to go to what he considers to be an even institution in London. He is dedicated.

He is a labour supporter who voted tactically in a marginal constituency to keep snp out.

He is appalled by the standard of political debate and discussion. The proposal to scrap tuition fees did play a part but he was a labour supporter before they published their manifesto.

BitchQueen90 Sun 11-Jun-17 12:51:11

I'm 26 (so just out of the "youth" bracket) but from what I've seen on social media and from my peers, Jeremy Corbyn has done a fantastic job in getting young people interested in politics. They like him, they find him inspiring. When I was 18 I certainly couldn't get enthusiastic or excited about any one politician and Jeremy Corbyn has achieved this with the young crowd.

CrazedZombie Sun 11-Jun-17 12:51:19

Ds2 would have voted against May because he's anti-fox hunting. (He's 10 so can't vote btw) . Dd was hmm that police budgets would be cut when terrorist events are so recent. Ds would have voted for the tuition fees policy as he may be off to uni in 2 years.

mummag Sun 11-Jun-17 12:53:03

We are not going to get a sensible reply, I'm afraid. I'm really tired of the hate on both sides around this. I'm a labour voter and proud. I'm educated and intelligent as are all the people I know that bothered to vote. Surprisingly some people I really like voted Tory, for reasons I don't personally agree with but reasons that meant something to them. What I don't expect is to have my choices undermined and demeaned by ignorant people. Respect people, it can be pleasant.

BirdBandit Sun 11-Jun-17 12:53:33

I think it is really patronising for some of the media to suggest that the youth vote were bribed by sweeties, i.e. University tuition. There are a lot more problems faced by the "youth" than just their education. This election has demonstrated that a personal moral code can be just as important to the electorate as personal finances.

mummag Sun 11-Jun-17 12:54:36

That wasn't to anyone who commented in the time it took me to respond to the rude person on page one.

araiwa Sun 11-Jun-17 12:56:45

many young people got pissed off with older, richer types fucking them over for their own personal gain

Brexit was finally the penny dropping for many so they realised that they need to take action

DixieNormas Sun 11-Jun-17 12:56:46

Mine voted labour because like a very high proportion of young people he didn't want to do A levels or go to uni, he wanted to learn a trade and has seen cuts to college courses offering trades and has seen how difficult it is to get an apprenticeship.

It took him 2 years to find one and his friends and cousins had the same problem.

He has aspirations', he's 22 now and earns a very good wage. The bollocks about people voting labour because they want something for nothing is bollocks and a really pathetic argument to use.

More likely the young adults who don't go to uni and who are from lower income households realise that what we need in this country is a good education for all and good courses for those who want to learn a trade so people don't need to rely on top up benefits. We need to be investing in young people

They are not the stupid ones

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 11-Jun-17 12:58:51

StillDrivingMeBonkers
Don't tar all the youth with the same brush.

But you seem to think that its ok to tar any youth that don't vote the way that you (or your DC do).

Happyfeet1972 Sun 11-Jun-17 13:01:08

stilldriving Not only is your post offensive, whether you meant it to be or not, you also are clearly too daft to recognise that the OP wasn't 'tarring the youth with the same brush's but speaking generally of the election results which have shown the 'youth' generally did vote for Labour. Nothing to do with your children which is a very small sample size.

I know plenty of successful Labour supporters. The fact you don't think a Labour supporter can't be ambitious or aspirational says more about you.

And for the record, not everyone can support themselves. If your children think they can than that's a sign that you've brought them up to believe that and given them opportunities to believe that. Which is commendable but not everyone will have the same opportunities....some youth have to work twice has hard just to get to the starting point that many (myself included) take for granted.

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