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To change my mind about voting Labour if they are to be in coalition/propped up by the SNP?

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LeCreusetQueen Fri 02-Jun-17 13:15:16

Just that really. Having read the Manifestos, I had decided to vote Labour, but the possibility of them being in coalition with or propped up by the SNP, has given me serious doubts.

I still feel bitter about the introduction of university tuition fees south of the border and, no disrespect to the Scots, but I really don't want them having the casting vote in matters which are of no direct concern to them.

I actually rather liked DC's idea of increased devolution - within the EU, that is, not sure now, but then everything seems unsure at the moment.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 Fri 02-Jun-17 13:16:31

YANBU. The SNP are the worst party out there.

ToastDemon Fri 02-Jun-17 13:17:47

I don't follow your logic. How is tuition fees in England the fault of the SNP?

Also they have both confirmed no coalition.

EspressoPatronum Fri 02-Jun-17 13:19:37

Jeremy Corbyn has said he won't enter a coalition with the SNP, so yes YABU.

53rdWay Fri 02-Jun-17 13:21:19

SNP are centre-left, Labour are centre-left. They have enough in common to reach agreement on a lot of stuff. Plus, better chance of proper federalisation with Labour than with the Conservatives.

That said, I doubt there is any chance of this happening. Conservatives still likely to win and with an increased majority. "Vote for Labour and they'll let the SNP in!" is a scare tactic (which worked for them in 2015, so if course they're going to do it again).

ToastDemon Fri 02-Jun-17 13:22:26

Such a scare tactic that the opening post seems a bit.. . convenient.

Iggi999 Fri 02-Jun-17 13:24:32

Definite scare tactic, though ironically it's the outcome I hope for so not scary for me.
Bollocks to blame SNP for tuition fees in England - what, are they responsible for the weather too??!

ballerinabelle Fri 02-Jun-17 13:25:36

The SNP are the worst.

frasersmummy Fri 02-Jun-17 13:25:47

University fees are free in Scotland along with that's what the Scottish government in Edinburgh decided to do with our budget

This decision is absolutely nothing to do with English tuition which is decided in Westminster..where snp usually abstain from English only policies such as this one

ExplodedCloud Fri 02-Jun-17 13:26:05

I don't follow your logic either.
Why would this affect English tuition fees?
I understood coalition had been ruled out anyway.

Bluebeedee Fri 02-Jun-17 13:26:09

I thought they'd both said no coalition?

LeCreusetQueen Fri 02-Jun-17 13:26:18

I thought that the Scots MPS support for Labour's proposal for the tuition fees was what enabled it to be passed. Am I wrong? I don't want Scottish MPs voting on affairs which don't concern them, especially as we don't vote on theirs.

LagunaBubbles Fri 02-Jun-17 13:27:32

I still feel bitter about the introduction of university tuition fees south of the border

And what has that got to do with the SNP?

no disrespect to the Scots, but I really don't want them having the casting vote in matters which are of no direct concern to them

Well funny enough since Scotland are still part of Britain and Westminster is the British parliament there are things that will concern them.

ExplodedCloud Fri 02-Jun-17 13:27:38

When the proposal was passed? Do you mean before 2010?

Moussemoose Fri 02-Jun-17 13:27:53

What is it with the fear of coalitions!

Germany one of the most successful economy's in the world has had a series of coalitions since WW2. Same for all the Scandinavian countries.

Compromise is a good thing.

53rdWay Fri 02-Jun-17 13:27:53

Scottish MPs in the New Labour days were mostly Labour, not SNP.

53rdWay Fri 02-Jun-17 13:28:56

So it wasn't "Scottish MPs supporting Labour", it was just Labour.

Iggi999 Fri 02-Jun-17 13:29:00

So you don't just not want a coalition, you want to not allow MPs to vote in Westminster? You must be on a windup!

ToastDemon Fri 02-Jun-17 13:29:13

That was Labour MPs, it had nothing to do with the SNP.

Moussemoose Fri 02-Jun-17 13:29:38


We are voting for the UK Parliament. Scotland is part of the UK. All MPs will represent their own constituents.

Iggi999 Fri 02-Jun-17 13:30:17

You'll be glad when we're independent then OP!

PumpkinPiloter Fri 02-Jun-17 13:31:33

JC has just come out in the last few days saying they will not form a coalition. As they turned down the option in 2015 and have said they will do the same again I really do not understand why you would worry about this scenario.

I think it is much more likely that the conservatives would form a coalition as they seem to have no issue with doing so if needs be.

I am generally a little bit surprised that Labour always do rule out a coalition government. Perhaps someone with more knowledge could shed some light on to why they do this?


LeCreusetQueen Fri 02-Jun-17 13:35:24

Iggi, I admit that I was much more upset about the Brexit vote that I would have been about a pro Scottish Independence vote, as I feel closer to say France than Scotland and have a home there. But that was within the context of Scotland being part of the EU.

I liked the representative of the SNP on the inter party debate the other evening. I thought he was very impressive, but I do think a number of Scots and their representatives are anti English. Do I want those people being in a position to call the tune in a hung parliament? No, I don't!

Moussemoose Fri 02-Jun-17 13:37:06

PumpkinPiloter because the left is always split. They hate each other more than the Tories.
Watch The Life of Brian - Peoples Front of Judea anyone?

And that is why we have so many Tory governments when people constantly cast more votes for left of centre parties.

53rdWay Fri 02-Jun-17 13:37:59

Most of us up here aren't anti-English, LeCreusetQueen, and neither are the politicians. And I say this as an English person living in Scotland! I'm not an SNP voter and disagree with them on a fair bit, but I don't think they're anti-English. I think you've been fed scare stories.

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