I'm not sure about posting full articles here so will just post the part that the thread is mostly about. (I've tried to bold this and it's not happening for some reason. Oh and it's about the current situation in Chechnya):
Former detainees gave harrowing accounts of their treatment.
‘It was like a chain. They get one person, go through his phone, torture him, make him name some others, get those others, and so it goes… In the place where I was held, we were four [gay men] at first, but several days later we were already 20.
‘At night, when we were left alone, I tried to convince the new arrivals to buck up, deny everything, not name anyone.
‘I kept telling them that the more people we name, the more information we give, the longer we’ll spend in this hell hole, the longer we’ll be tortured… I was telling them, can’t you see, those who talk are tortured even harder…
‘But the torture was bad–the beatings, and the electric shocks especially–very few could bear it without breaking.'
On the subject of electrocutions, a detainee said: ‘They turn the knob, electric current hits you, and you start shaking. And they keep turning the hellish machine, and the pain is just insane, you scream, and scream, and you no longer know who you are…
‘Finally, you faint, it all goes dark, but when you come to your senses, they start all over again. And once they’re done with you and you get your bearings, you hear other inmates screaming, and the sounds of torture are just there all day, and at some point, you start losing your mind.’
They [officials] took us [the interviewee along with other inmates presumed to be gay] to this place and our male family members were there, fathers, brothers, uncles…
‘So, they are there looking at you and they [officials] shout abuse at you, call you names, the most offensive names, and they order you to step forward, admit it to your relatives, admit that you’re gay. And you know they’re likely to kill you if you don’t or they’ll just keep torturing you…
‘Then, they chastise your family members, tell them they brought shame on the family by rearing a pervert, that it’s a huge stain on family honor, a stain that needs to be cleansed… They wouldn’t say it directly but we all knew what it meant.’
So I was at work today and read the article above and gave some people sitting near me an outline of it and commented that it was disgusting and more needs to be done about it and someone said "Well it's their country so it's their rules. Would you dictate what other people can wear in other countries or what religion they could practice?" and a couple of other people agreed (with him). I replied by saying "There's a bit of a leap between clothing and religion against torturing someone by electrocuting them to death" (doesn't mention it in the excerpt but 3 people have reportedly been killed). He said "They know the risk of living in that country and if they choose to take it then it's on their own heads". He then said (And this is the part which is really asking AIBU): "It's people thinking like you that cause wars"
AIBU to think that he was wrong? To give context, it wasn't an angry or heated exchange at all and I wasn't offended by what he said but I didn't and don't agree. He compared it to the situation with Gaddaffi and "if we hadn't interfered when we weren't wanted then we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now". I just don't equate the two situations. To me, one was for political and financial gain whereas the other would be a case of human rights. Thought I'd post here and see your opinions?
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To think that sometimes, no, actually, it's not a case of 'their country, their rules'?
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MissionItsPossible · 26/05/2017 19:22
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